My my we are fired up. Your right why would I be forgiving to Iowa State players I have an Iowa bias. Have you ever been forgiving to any Iowa players?
Maybe next year, Hawkeyes.
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I'm just saying that Clone fans started cracking jokes (which were not unwarranted), and then Hawks basically started a "you have no room to talk" argument.
And the press release was embarrassing. This story isn't anywhere near the same level as the rhabdo or DJK mess. But THIS is the story that the PR department decided to hop on right away. Something tells me they have things backwards :unsure:
Actually, until I moved here, and saw what you "people" were actually like, I didn't even care about what jocks do off the field.
But when I read the ****** comments about other schools problems that your brethren make, when you have no room to talk, my sense of right and wrong gets offended.
I am sure that gland has been blown off of you by now, but a little candor could do you a world of good.
Well, the fact that they were made on a Cyclone board notwithstanding, I would say that it shouldn't bother you all. As far as room to talk, what???
And you are right, the pr dept in ic is in full bunker mode. I wonder if the actual money people are getting tired of all of these national stories. I mean they bully the in-state media into submission and secrecy, but they really can't do that to Sports Illustrated or ESPN.
It looks bad, I think that you can see that. Too bad there are so many of you that refuse to even think about being embarrassed. It's even sadder that many of your fellow hawks come on here, and instead of saying this is bad, they try to deflect attention away from the problem (not you, you have been here for a while, and we like you here even if you are misguided).
Even the ones that say anything approaching candor, like you, always have to qualify it with something meaningless.
I don't mean that the gambles Hoiberg is taking are on the same level as the problems we have in Iowa City (I actually think he's in a position where he has little choice, and I don't have a problem with it). "You have no room to talk" might not really say what I meant, but it's the best way to describe the argument he was making.
And we are on a Cyclone board. It's simply a case of a fan of one team calling out a rival fanbase for hypocrisy, while likely practicing it him/herself on their own board. You know I make the argument that many of the issues Iowa athletes have happen everywhere, but THAT (calling out hypocrisy, then being hypocritical) actually does happen on message boards everywhere.
I addressed the first point using hawk examples of the same thing. BUT I didn't go to a hawk board to do it.
That is the part that I don't understand. Why go to a rival team's board? I am sure that this was discussed on other fox 12 team's boards today, along with the health crisis, and ridiculous way that the u handled it.
Your fans seem to always say that we are not important, and they have rivals but we aren't one, and the like....So what is the point of going on here and "responding?" I would have never thought of joining a hawk board to try to defend Freddie when you people were bashing away.
And I should say that I get the hawks that are here to discuss sports. It is the ones like this guy that are ridiculous.
That's fair. I know I come around here because I enjoy the discussion from a different perspective. Even if I often agree with the general sentiment on HN, it's fun to discuss with people who don't necessarily see eye-to-eye with me. I'm sure that most of the Hawk posters here are the same way (by that, I mean that ones that are still around, not the dime-a-dozen flamers that come and go).
There might be a time where I maybe get too defensive about something, and lash out. I'd like to think I won't, but I'm human, so no promises. But I do play it straight as much as possible. And that might be all that's happening here with Hawks, this may just be his f*ck up lol.
Let me get this straight: ISU basketball is a shady program because they take in kids who may have had a problem or two in their past (the majority of them were NOT caught up in the legal system), but Iowa is a superior program because their kids who are getting in trouble "seem to be decent kids in high school"?
You know what? I think you might be onto something. I'm willing to agree with you that Iowa's recruits have spotless records in high school......but then how do you explain them suddenly becoming scofflaws once they arrive in Iowa City? Is this something the Iowa athletic department instills in their kids, or is it something that grew from the bottom up while the coaches & administrators did nothing to discourage it?
Just to point out but don't you think that is probably true for most teams on the list?
So wins justify rape and domestic abuse...got it. another POS just like KF.
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Except we have plenty of room to talk. I displayed this with the Fulmer Cup standings of both teams. On top of that we could recruit drunks for our basketball team for 4 years and still not catch up with iowa. The idiots Mikem is referencing is claiming that White, Allen(no criminal record) and Lucious(no criminal record) equal 22+ hoks that have police records. Don't forget that iowa is recruiting Colvin and Colvin=Allen/Lucious as far as reasons kicked off the team. You guys are forgetting that Clevenland, Nelson, satterfiel, and everson are no longer with the team but their actions reflect the character of the players. Would Dana Brown still be with the team if he wasn't booted? Last I checked, our football coach didn't give any rapists a good recommendation and our University didn't admittedly mishandle a rape investigation. It is quite possible that since the u of i mishandled a major crime that those two POS got to wallk free. Not to mention, the victim was verbally harrassed by footballplayers after she was raped. Tells me the football players not only think the rape was no big deal but thought it was funny enough to give the girl some crap. Reall high character men.
Anyways, if you add ISU's football and basketball criminal records together the comparison to iowa is 8-22 (that includes Mike Taylor). That means ISU has plenty of room to talk. Keep in mind that in four years, ISU has had three coaching changes in those sports which means coaches have had to rush and take fliers in order to fill classes. Three of ISU's criminals were late signers after a coach was hired (Taylor, Tau'fo'ou, Sims) meaning the coaches didn't have much time to judge character. Hamlin and Laing were also late offers and late gets.
What is disgusting to me is to see idiot hok fans state that the wins justify everything. The morons that say this or even joke about it most likely pretend like the rapes and domestic abuse didn't happen otherwise they are just sick POS.
Even funnier is that top 25 list shows plenty of programs that do it right. There are teams on that list that have had more success than iowa yet have very few arrests. Keep in mind, their arrest including the drinking variety as well. So you see hok fans, you can win without having criminals
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Judging by the debates that have occurred on ISU message boards, Ithink plenty of people had issues with Allen, White and Lucious. The White transfer was heavily debated thoughout the process with probably a 60/40 split for bringing him in. Allen and Luciosu debates occurred as well.
Once the kids were on the team, ISU fans have supported them but are still keeping a watchful eye. If anyone of those kids screw up, there will be a large part of the fanbase that will be upset and will scream "I told you so."
I didn't say that I agree with his argument (I don't). Just saying that he didn't cast the first stone here, he was more or less retaliating. But he should have left it alone, because White is the only one with legal history (even though the rumor has been that Lucious failed a drug test?).
So I don't agree with him. I was just playing devil's advocate.
My response was for hawks as much as for anyone.
'I agree with everyone that says these thigns happen at most schools. But what hok fans,other than yourself, fail to realize is the great frequency that it happens at iowa. it happens 2-3 times as much at iowa than other schools. That shows an issue.
BTW- The only rumor I saw about Lucioous failing drug tests was from a hok claiming that Lucious failed 6 drug tests. Consider me skeptic of that rumor. No way a kid gets 5 free passes
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I wasn't sure about that rumor, just knew I heard it somewhere. But you're right, no way was it 6 tests. If the rumor holds any truth, I don't think he'd make it past the second failed test.
No I am not saying that Iowa is at all superior program to Iowa State especially when it comes to behavior issues. I just find it to be a little hypocritical when Iowa State fans are quick to point fingers at all of Iowa's off the field problems, but when they take these character issue kids none of them seem to care. I bet if these kids were committing to Iowa this place would be a meltdown of how dirty Iowa is. I am not saying Iowa State is doing anything wrong I mean hell I wish Iowa was getting these kids as ISU should be really good in basketball for the next 2-3 years.
As for the second point I think it is a mixture of things. The first is being in college and having all of that freedom for the first time it takes time to adjust. I know when I first got to college I was meeting all these new people and it was hard not to just go crazy for awhile. The second thing would be our coaches did very little if anything to discourage this.
- Plenty of Cyclone fans care and the tranfers have been debated time and time again. There are a lot of Cyclone fans that do not like it. I don't know why you claim any different. Do a search for Lucious/Allen/White on this site and Cyclone Report and you will see debates with many people on both sides of the issue. It isn't as clear cut as you claim. And you are really comparing apples to oranges. iowa football is established and shouldn't have to take fliers on bad character guys. ISU has had a lot of coaching changes which should lead to them taking more riskes...yet we have fewer issues.
- You are recruiting a player with character issues. His name is Chris Colvin. that has been debated here as well. As far as I know, he has no more issues than Allen or Lucious yet Fred wouldn't take him back. If he goes to iowa and has no issues thean good for him and iowa.
- A majority of kids that go to college have freedom for the first time. iowa is not special in this realm.
Boo-freaking-hoo. You all need to get over it and find something to do with your time. This includes both the cyclone and hawk fans posting on this thread.
Reading some of the comments on here are ridiculous, especially out of mikem. Rivalries are fun, and it's fun to joke and poke fun at other fans for stuff like this(like this thread was initially meant to do). But some of the stuff that is coming your mouth mikem is just crazy and flat out frightening. I feel like you're going to blow a gasket and cause some type of harm on someone or something.
Get a hobby, get some friends, do something. There is no reason that you should be this worked up over what some random person on a message board says.
Reading some of the comments on here are ridiculous, especially out of mikem. Rivalries are fun, and it's fun to joke and poke fun at other fans for stuff like this(like this thread was initially meant to do). But some of the stuff that is coming your mouth mikem is just crazy and flat out frightening. I feel like you're going to blow a gasket and cause some type of harm on someone or something.
Get a hobby, get some friends, do something. There is no reason that you should be this worked up over what some random person on a message board says.
Typical "move on...nothing to see here. Keep moving. nothing to see here" attitude from hok fans
taz, good to see you again. I sort of skipped the first 3 pages of the thread since it looks like a lot of flaming and raging (umad, mikem?). Just gonna start with here on page 4.
You are desperately hanging on to the City Boyz incidents, aren't you? You love the Satterfield/Everson incident, huh? To continue to bring it up is intriguing. Let us get down to it.. we had some bad characters in that era who made some bad decisions. Those players were removed from the team and some continued to make bad decisions afterwards and some faded away. In the large part that pretty much sums it up, right? And I must point out there is nothing deflecting in that paragraph, there clearly was a problem with those players.
So we'll proceed to the article in question. 15 of the cases were alcohol related, one was disorderly conduct and 2 were possession charges. The DJK situation is an absolute joke of a situation, he brought it on himself, and he deserved way more in the legal area than he got. He was also removed from the team after this incident. Adam Robinson was already on suspension and that suspension became indefinite after his encounter. 2 possession charges, 2 departures.. can you say that ISU's results have been the same?
The disorderly conduct charge is touchy as well. Whether you believe innocent or not, the disorderly charge is what came of it. It was a very stupid decision and is in no way related to any other incident that has/had occured.
To the meat of the subject, the alcohol related charges. To try to slam KF on the subject is laughable. Attempt to make the argument with a straight face that this is not a university issue but purely a football program issue. The university is known for its drinking, parties, bar scene, what have you. Like it or not, admit it or not, the party scenes at UofI and ISU are different. Does this deflect guilt from the program? Not necessarily because the players (need to) understand A) you're in the spotlight B) you need to make better decisions. My point rests being that this is also a university issue which is not going to go away anytime soon. I feel like, for the most part, KF does what he can.
If Iowa were to begin having problems again, such as the City Boyz incident, or another DJK incident.. then yes, bring out the "WTF" statements.
While I have the floor, also going to ask if you truly feel there is not a double standard for ISU and UofI.. what if it was Iowa that was bringing in the players that ISU bball is bringing in?
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