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So, for anyone interested, here finally is my full Iron Fist reviews, as I just finished up the series last night. If you look back, I have already posted a few ranting thoughts as I went through the first 6 episodes or so. Anyway, I'd call this a mildly spoilery review, so beware if you don't want to be spoiled.

Starting out, Iron Fist was ROUGH, and I mean REALLY ROUGH, especially through the first 5-6 episodes. Not only was the acting horrendous, but the directing was bad, the writing was bad, the fight choreography was terrible, Marvel seemingly spent $50 on all 5 episodes, and maybe worst of all, it was super boring. The series spent wwaaaayyy too much time in the boardroom and with having a whiny, stupid Danny try to convince everyone he is who he says he was, not to mention Danny went about everything in the stupidest way possible. Don't even get me started on the whole insane asylum episode. However, once we got past those episodes, while it was still up and down, episodes 7, and 9-12 I thought were actually pretty decent and even good at points. In those episodes, nearly all of the series misgivings seemed to actually improve. Well, that was until the final episode (episode 13), where I thought many things regressed a bit again, and some of the bad acting and bad characterization left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth again. Regardless, at least things seemed to improve overall.

Getting into the details, I'll go into the characters. Starting with Danny Rand, I can't say that I've seen a worse miscasting of a character in a while. Regardless of the whole white/Asian casting debate out there, I just found Finn Jones to be a terrible actor to the point where he makes himself look completely stupid and unlikable. While many say that the directors and writers didn't help him out at all, I agree, but only to an extent. Lets just face it, his overacting and fight skills are just bad, even though they got a bit better in the back half of the season (minus his ridiculous hissy fits). As for the other actors, after taking in the entire series as a whole and discounting the terrible writing and directing, I started to actually think they were mostly decent. I actually didn't mind Ward or Joy at all, especially once we got past those first 6 episodes. Many really liked Colleen Wing, while I found her mostly just decent. Looking to the villains, I still found them to be fairly solid and true to Netflix's strong history of villains. Harold Meachum was probably the worst, but that was mostly the director's and writers fault in my mind. He wasn't bad though. In the first half of the Season, Madame Gao was maybe the best part. She was great throughout too. I also found Bakuto and Davos really good. In fact, I'd say they are a lot of the reason why the series got better later on. All of these people were great actors, and Bakuto and Davos actually brought in some great fighting skills too, which were direly needed. I'd say nobody was as good as a Killgrave, Kingpin or even a Cottonmouth, but that doesn't mean they weren't good.

Next, a big knock on the series has been its poor fight scenes, which I totally agree to some extent. I do think the fight scenes were bad, and almost CW Arrowverse bad at times, but like many things, I do think they improved some as the series went on, minus the last episode. I think there is multiple things to blame here. Ultimately, I felt this entire series just seemed rushed in every way. Finn Jones admits himself that he only had like 3 weeks to train for this role, which is really bad. I also just don't think him as an actor is a super skilled or believable fighter. It didn't help either that a seemingly ridiculously low budget could never do the Iron Fist true justice in these fight scenes. One last point on the fight scenes is that not giving the Iron Fist a costume didn't help their cause at all either, as that makes things even harder to cut in and out of actor/stunt double like they do well in Daredevil.

The last thing I want to delve deeper into was that seemingly ridiculously low budget I mentioned above. Ultimately, if Marvel ever wants to do The Iron Fist justice, they really need to open their pocketbooks more. You simply can't do Iron Fist for the same price tag as you can do someone like Daredevil. I'm sorry. When you do limit things like they did, you get tons of talking, practically zero iron fist, poor fight scenes, nearly zero K'un Lun, and no dragons. I mean, come on, those are critical things people want to see when they watch the Iron Fist. Therefore, if Marvel TV wants to play with the big boys (their movie partner), they need to start paying more like them. The high viewership should justify it too.

Anyway, in conclusion, the Iron Fist series was bad, no doubt. However, I'm not sure it was as bad as either I originally thought, or necessarily as bad as people are portraying it to be. It did at least mostly improve as it went on. Therefore, I don't think it is completely irredeemable. Shoot, I'd maybe argue Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did. I guess my biggest fears moving forward into the Defenders and beyond is still being stuck with Finn Jones as Danny Rand as well as some of the weird footing we were left on in the final episode that just didn't seem to fit, particularly the Davos/Joy stuff, but whatever. Maybe they can make that into something that makes sense and I'm really hoping Finn Jones improves on his acting, if that is possible.. Lastly, I just hope a lot of this bad stuff like being rushed, bad directing, terrible writing, low-budgets, poor casting, and poor fight choreography aren't trends that carry forward into the other series. I hope it is maybe just a one-off mistake by Marvel. I guess we'll see. With all this said, feel free to critique or give me your thoughts.
 
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So, for anyone interested, here finally is my full Iron Fist reviews, as I just finished up the series last night. If you look back, I have already posted a few ranting thoughts as I went through the first 6 episodes or so. Anyway, I'd call this a mildly spoilery review, so beware if you don't want to be spoiled.

Starting out, Iron Fist was ROUGH, and I mean REALLY ROUGH, especially through the first 5-6 episodes. Not only was the acting horrendous, but the directing was bad, the writing was bad, the fight choreography was terrible, Marvel seemingly spent $50 on all 5 episodes, and maybe worst of all, it was super boring. The series spent wwaaaayyy too much time in the boardroom and with having a whiny, stupid Danny try to convince everyone he is who he says he was, not to mention Danny went about everything in the stupidest way possible. Don't even get me started on the whole insane asylum episode. However, once we got past those episodes, while it was still up and down, episodes 7, and 9-12 I thought were actually pretty decent and even good at points. In those episodes, nearly all of the series misgivings seemed to actually improve. Well, that was until the final episode (episode 13), where I thought many things regressed a bit again, and some of the bad acting and bad characterization left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth again. Regardless, at least things seemed to improve overall.

Getting into the details, I'll go into the characters. Starting with Danny Rand, I can't say that I've seen a worse miscasting of a character in a while. Regardless of the whole white/Asian casting debate out there, I just found Finn Jones to be a terrible actor to the point where he makes himself look completely stupid and unlikable. While many say that the directors and writers didn't help him out at all, I agree, but only to an extent. Lets just face it, his overacting and fight skills are just bad, even though they got a bit better in the back half of the season (minus his ridiculous hissy fits). As for the other actors, after taking in the entire series as a whole and discounting the terrible writing and directing, I started to actually think they were mostly decent. I actually didn't mind Ward or Joy at all, especially once we got past those first 6 episodes. Many really liked Colleen Wing, while I found her mostly just decent. Looking to the villains, I still found them to be fairly solid and true to Netflix's strong history of villains. Harold Meachum was probably the worst, but that was mostly the director's and writers fault in my mind. He wasn't bad though. In the first half of the Season, Madame Gao was maybe the best part. She was great throughout too. I also found Bakuto and Davos really good. In fact, I'd say they are a lot of the reason why the series got better later on. All of these people were great actors, and Bakuto and Davos actually brought in some great fighting skills too, which were direly needed. I'd say nobody was as good as a Killgrave, Kingpin or even a Cottonmouth, but that doesn't mean they weren't good.

Next, a big knock on the series has been its poor fight scenes, which I totally agree to some extent. I do think the fight scenes were bad, and almost CW Arrowverse bad at times, but like many things, I do think they improved some as the series went on, minus the last episode. I think there is multiple things to blame here. Ultimately, I felt this entire series just seemed rushed in every way. Finn Jones admits himself that he only had like 3 weeks to train for this role, which is really bad. I also just don't think him as an actor is a super skilled or believable fighter. It didn't help either that a seemingly ridiculously low budget could never do the Iron Fist true justice in these fight scenes. One last point on the fight scenes is that not giving the Iron Fist a costume didn't help their cause at all either, as that makes things even harder to cut in and out of actor/stunt double like they do well in Daredevil.

The last thing I want to delve deeper into was that seemingly ridiculously low budget I mentioned above. Ultimately, if Marvel ever wants to do The Iron Fist justice, they really need to open their pocketbooks more. You simply can't do Iron Fist for the same price tag as you can do someone like Daredevil. I'm sorry. When you do limit things like they did, you get tons of talking, practically zero iron fist, poor fight scenes, nearly zero K'un Lun, and no dragons. I mean, come on, those are critical things people want to see when they watch the Iron Fist. Therefore, if Marvel TV wants to play with the big boys (their movie partner), they need to start paying more like them. The high viewership should justify it too.

Anyway, in conclusion, the Iron Fist series was bad, no doubt. However, I'm not sure it was as bad as either I originally thought, or necessarily as bad as people are portraying it to be. It did at least mostly improve as it went on. Therefore, I don't think it is completely irredeemable. Shoot, I'd maybe argue Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did. I guess my biggest fears moving forward into the Defenders and beyond is still being stuck with Finn Jones as Danny Rand as well as some of the weird footing we were left on in the final episode that just didn't seem to fit, particularly the Davos/Joy stuff, but whatever. Maybe they can make that into something that makes sense and I'm really hoping Finn Jones improves on his acting, if that is possible.. Lastly, I just hope a lot of this bad stuff like being rushed, bad directing, terrible writing, low-budgets, poor casting, and poor fight choreography aren't trends that carry forward into the other series. I hope it is maybe just a one-off mistake by Marvel. I guess we'll see. With all this said, feel free to critique or give me your thoughts.


One interesting thing to note on the side is that this is the first 4K/HDR TV series I've watched on my new 65 inch 4K TV Samsung UHD TV, and wow, talk about a different viewing experience in certain ways. While it is amazing to see everything in such detail, what you quickly realize is that this can actually be a bad thing many times in that there is now nothing to hide anymore. What this means is that bad special effects, bad acting, bad fight choreography... etc. are all that much more noticeable and worse in 4K/HDR. Don't believe me? Try it yourself. Same thing goes for movies, even those that are 4K upscaled. Suddenly action scenes that were once amazing to you in really good movies are seen to have many flaws I never noticed before. Anyway, I'm a big visual guy so don't take this as me not liking this new technology, because I do. However, as this route progresses, EVERYONE better start upping their game to play along because viewers can see everything.
 
Oh, I don't doubt that I'm blending and mixing everything together in an almost hysterical matter. Ultimately, it just doesn't matter to me. They all get heaped together into the same dumpster fire. It is worth noting too that I worked security for the Metallica concert as well. Needless to say, I was far from impressed. Haha, I'm apparently in rant mode this morning, which is pretty rare for me. Thanks for not coming down too hard on me yet. Sometimes a man just needs to let off some steam apparently ;):) I do really hope I'm completely wrong and Thor: Ragnarok is awesome. I'm far from someone who ever roots for any of these things to fail.
How....Dare....You.....
Those are fighting words :)
 
So, for anyone interested, here finally is my full Iron Fist reviews, as I just finished up the series last night. If you look back, I have already posted a few ranting thoughts as I went through the first 6 episodes or so. Anyway, I'd call this a mildly spoilery review, so beware if you don't want to be spoiled.

Starting out, Iron Fist was ROUGH, and I mean REALLY ROUGH, especially through the first 5-6 episodes. Not only was the acting horrendous, but the directing was bad, the writing was bad, the fight choreography was terrible, Marvel seemingly spent $50 on all 5 episodes, and maybe worst of all, it was super boring. The series spent wwaaaayyy too much time in the boardroom and with having a whiny, stupid Danny try to convince everyone he is who he says he was, not to mention Danny went about everything in the stupidest way possible. Don't even get me started on the whole insane asylum episode. However, once we got past those episodes, while it was still up and down, episodes 7, and 9-12 I thought were actually pretty decent and even good at points. In those episodes, nearly all of the series misgivings seemed to actually improve. Well, that was until the final episode (episode 13), where I thought many things regressed a bit again, and some of the bad acting and bad characterization left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth again. Regardless, at least things seemed to improve overall.

Getting into the details, I'll go into the characters. Starting with Danny Rand, I can't say that I've seen a worse miscasting of a character in a while. Regardless of the whole white/Asian casting debate out there, I just found Finn Jones to be a terrible actor to the point where he makes himself look completely stupid and unlikable. While many say that the directors and writers didn't help him out at all, I agree, but only to an extent. Lets just face it, his overacting and fight skills are just bad, even though they got a bit better in the back half of the season (minus his ridiculous hissy fits). As for the other actors, after taking in the entire series as a whole and discounting the terrible writing and directing, I started to actually think they were mostly decent. I actually didn't mind Ward or Joy at all, especially once we got past those first 6 episodes. Many really liked Colleen Wing, while I found her mostly just decent. Looking to the villains, I still found them to be fairly solid and true to Netflix's strong history of villains. Harold Meachum was probably the worst, but that was mostly the director's and writers fault in my mind. He wasn't bad though. In the first half of the Season, Madame Gao was maybe the best part. She was great throughout too. I also found Bakuto and Davos really good. In fact, I'd say they are a lot of the reason why the series got better later on. All of these people were great actors, and Bakuto and Davos actually brought in some great fighting skills too, which were direly needed. I'd say nobody was as good as a Killgrave, Kingpin or even a Cottonmouth, but that doesn't mean they weren't good.

Next, a big knock on the series has been its poor fight scenes, which I totally agree to some extent. I do think the fight scenes were bad, and almost CW Arrowverse bad at times, but like many things, I do think they improved some as the series went on, minus the last episode. I think there is multiple things to blame here. Ultimately, I felt this entire series just seemed rushed in every way. Finn Jones admits himself that he only had like 3 weeks to train for this role, which is really bad. I also just don't think him as an actor is a super skilled or believable fighter. It didn't help either that a seemingly ridiculously low budget could never do the Iron Fist true justice in these fight scenes. One last point on the fight scenes is that not giving the Iron Fist a costume didn't help their cause at all either, as that makes things even harder to cut in and out of actor/stunt double like they do well in Daredevil.

The last thing I want to delve deeper into was that seemingly ridiculously low budget I mentioned above. Ultimately, if Marvel ever wants to do The Iron Fist justice, they really need to open their pocketbooks more. You simply can't do Iron Fist for the same price tag as you can do someone like Daredevil. I'm sorry. When you do limit things like they did, you get tons of talking, practically zero iron fist, poor fight scenes, nearly zero K'un Lun, and no dragons. I mean, come on, those are critical things people want to see when they watch the Iron Fist. Therefore, if Marvel TV wants to play with the big boys (their movie partner), they need to start paying more like them. The high viewership should justify it too.

Anyway, in conclusion, the Iron Fist series was bad, no doubt. However, I'm not sure it was as bad as either I originally thought, or necessarily as bad as people are portraying it to be. It did at least mostly improve as it went on. Therefore, I don't think it is completely irredeemable. Shoot, I'd maybe argue Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did. I guess my biggest fears moving forward into the Defenders and beyond is still being stuck with Finn Jones as Danny Rand as well as some of the weird footing we were left on in the final episode that just didn't seem to fit, particularly the Davos/Joy stuff, but whatever. Maybe they can make that into something that makes sense and I'm really hoping Finn Jones improves on his acting, if that is possible.. Lastly, I just hope a lot of this bad stuff like being rushed, bad directing, terrible writing, low-budgets, poor casting, and poor fight choreography aren't trends that carry forward into the other series. I hope it is maybe just a one-off mistake by Marvel. I guess we'll see. With all this said, feel free to critique or give me your thoughts.

As usual, now that I've posted my full Iron Fist Review, I figure I'll update my Comic Book TV rankings to include the series for anyone who may be interested. Based on my review, you may or may not be surprised where I threw it in. It is worth noting that if Iron Fist ended after the first 6 episodes, it definitely would have been dead last on my list. Luckily, there was about 4-5 episodes on the back half of the season that saved it from the dumpster bin.

  1. The Flash (Season 1)
  2. Daredevil (Season 2)
  3. Daredevil (Season 1)
  4. Arrow (Season 2)
  5. Arrow (Season 1)
  6. The Flash (Season 2)
  7. Supergirl (Season 1)
  8. Jessica Jones (Season 1)
  9. Luke Cage (Season 1)
  10. Agents of Shield (Season 2)
  11. Agent Carter (Season 1)
  12. Agents of Shield (Season 1)
  13. Agents of Shield (Season 3)
  14. Agent Carter (Season 2)
  15. Iron Fist (Season 1)
  16. Preacher (Season 1)
  17. Arrow (Season 3)
  18. Constantine (Season 1)
  19. Arrow (Season 4)
  20. Legends of Tomorrow (Season 1)
FYI, you'll notice that I do everything by the season rather than the overall show. I simply do this because it makes it SUPER hard to compare and rank overall shows when each and every show with multiple seasons usually has a pretty wide degree of quality differences between those seasons. Arrow would be a good example.
 
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1 - Shoot, I'd maybe argue Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did.
2 - I guess my biggest fears moving forward into the Defenders and beyond is still being stuck with Finn Jones as Danny Rand
3 - the weird footing we were left on in the final episode that just didn't seem to fit, particularly the Davos/Joy stuff

4 - I'm really hoping Finn Jones improves on his acting, if that is possible.

Great post, as always, Triggermv.
1. I agree that Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did. Diamondback's story in general was the equivalent of jumping the shark. With that said, I am more excited for Luke Cage season 2 than I am Iron Fist. It's funny because Bakuto was written almost the same was as Diamondback was - both characters were alluded to early in their respective shows and then introduced as the main villain in the second half of the series.

2. This is my fear as well. If Finn Jones tanks the Defenders then I hope Netflix makes the right choice and either finds a new actor to play Iron Fist or write the character off completely, even if it's something as stupid as: "The portal to K'un L'un has opened up again, not really sure how, but I gotta go back - Goodbye forever!"

3. I actually liked that part of the season finale as it brought the only two friends that Danny has seemingly ever had and they are collaborating to turn on him. The writers could really do a lot with that in Season 2.

4. I thought Michael Colter (Luke Cage) lacked presence in certain scenes of Luke Cage, but Finn Jones was just plain bad. Michael Colte's performance looks better now by comparison. My expectations of a "Heroes for Hire" series have plummeted.
 
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Great post, as always, Triggermv.
1. I agree that Iron Fist ended better than Luke Cage did. Diamondback's story in general was the equivalent of jumping the shark. With that said, I am more excited for Luke Cage season 2 than I am Iron Fist. It's funny because Bakuto was written almost the same was as Diamondback was - both characters were alluded to early in their respective shows and then introduced as the main villain in the second half of the series.

2. This is my fear as well. If Finn Jones tanks the Defenders then I hope Netflix makes the right choice and either finds a new actor to play Iron Fist or write the character off completely, even if it's something as stupid as: "The portal to K'un L'un has opened up again, not really sure how, but I gotta go back - Goodbye forever!"

3. I actually liked that part of the season finale as it brought the only two friends that Danny has seemingly ever had and they are collaborating to turn on him. The writers could really do a lot with that in Season 2.

4. I thought Michael Colter (Luke Cage) lacked presence in certain scenes of Luke Cage, but Finn Jones was just plain bad. Michael Colte's performance looks better now by comparison. My expectations of a "Heroes for Hire" series have plummeted.

You've got lots of good thoughts here. Only one I don't agree with still is the liking the Joy/Davos thing. I totally get the Davos side of the equation and just pretty much love most everything about his character, and how they slowly built up that enmity between him and Iron Fist. Shoot, in many ways, Danny Rand is so completely stupid and unlikable at times that I many times agree with Davos. Its funny how much his character nearly mirrors what they are doing with Mordo in Doctor Strange, and how they will both likely go in the future. I'm okay with that.

On the other hand, the Joy thing is what doesn't make sense. I mean she has probably been Danny's biggest ally the entire time, even all the way until the end when she seemingly becomes even more sympathetic with Danny in how he was getting framed by Harold. Therefore, it just seems like she suddenly went the other direction on a dime without even the slightest hint that she was starting to turn that way. There also was never any type of instigating moment near the end to help her along either. Again, this may end up getting completely explained away later on, but right now, I'm just shaking my head like what??

Lastly, good point in the Diamondback and Bakuot somewhat mirror of one another. Therefore, what that proves to me wasn't that the premise was off, but rather the characters themselves. Bakuto was just that much better of a character than Diamondback.
 
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You've got lots of good thoughts here. Only one I don't agree with still is the liking the Joy/Davos thing. I totally get the Davos side of the equation and just pretty much love most everything about his character, and how they slowly built up that enmity between him and Iron Fist. Shoot, in many ways, Danny Rand is so completely stupid and unlikable at times that I many times agree with Davos. Its funny how much his character nearly mirrors what they are doing with Mordo in Doctor Strange, and how they will both likely go in the future. I'm okay with that.

On the other hand, the Joy thing is what doesn't make sense. I mean she has probably been Danny's biggest ally the entire time, even all the way until the end when she seemingly becomes even more sympathetic with Danny in how he was getting framed by Harold. Therefore, it just seems like she suddenly went the other direction on a dime without even the slightest hint that she was starting to turn that way. There also was never any type of instigating moment near the end to help her along either. Again, this may end up getting completely explained away later on, but right now, I'm just shaking my head like what??

Lastly, good point in the Diamondback and Bakuot somewhat mirror of one another. Therefore, what that proves to me wasn't that the premise was off, but rather the characters themselves. Bakuto was just that much better of a character than Diamondback.
Agree on Joy. I didn't understand her motivation
 
Apple is now rumored to potentially be buying Disney, which also would include all of Disney's brands like Marvel and Marvel Studios. Truthfully, this probably would be a decent merger and a win-win for both sides. Overall, if this went through, I'd say who it might not end up being good for would be companies like Roku, Netflix, Hulu, Samsung, Direct TV, Dish Network and even many types of of TV media companies. I do truly believe that Apple will eventually fully integrate the entire TV consumption supply chain, which would include TVs, streaming platforms, and even online a-la-cart cable offerings. That is kind of their historical MO too. This merger would simply be one more step away from devices like computer and phones and more towards the future of TVs and entertainment.

http://screenrant.com/apple-disney-acquisition-rumor/
 
I have pretty much zero doubt that Apple will be offering a TV to the marketplace within the next 5 years with essentially a built-in sooped up AppeTV system within it.
 
no thanks. I'll buy a much cheaper tv and use accessories like apple tv, etc.

Yeah, I'll probably personally pass on buying a TV from Apple as well and then go with an Apple TV device too. Not only would their TVs probably be too expensive and not worth it, but imagine if they get into the TV world and then forced that world to use all their accessories by saying screw HDMI cords or whatnot. Nope, don't want to deal with that.
 
Apple is now rumored to potentially be buying Disney, which also would include all of Disney's brands like Marvel and Marvel Studios. Truthfully, this probably would be a decent merger and a win-win for both sides. Overall, if this went through, I'd say who it might not end up being good for would be companies like Roku, Netflix, Hulu, Samsung, Direct TV, Dish Network and even many types of of TV media companies. I do truly believe that Apple will eventually fully integrate the entire TV consumption supply chain, which would include TVs, streaming platforms, and even online a-la-cart cable offerings. That is kind of their historical MO too. This merger would simply be one more step away from devices like computer and phones and more towards the future of TVs and entertainment.

http://screenrant.com/apple-disney-acquisition-rumor/

That would be a scary company
 
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That merger wouldnt bother me the slightest as long as the product quality stays the same or improves.
 
I do remember there were rumors out a couple months ago that Disney was to buy Netflix too. Man, if both happened, they'd really be taking over the world.
 
I do remember there were rumors out a couple months ago that Disney was to buy Netflix too. Man, if both happened, they'd really be taking over the world.


Great way to change tv for good. It needs a shake up.
 
I did this last year and I know I'm a little late on it this year, beings how we've had pretty much 3 different comic book movie genre films come out already (Lego Batman, Logan, Power Rangers), but with the movies left on the slate for 2017, rank them all in order of anticipation for yourself. Here is my list.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Spider-Man: Homecoming
3. Justice League
4. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
5. Thor: Ragnarok
6. Kingsman: The Golden Circle

 
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I did this last year and I know I'm a little late on it this year, beings how we've had pretty much 3 different comic book movie genre films come out already (Lego Batman, Logan, Power Rangers), but with the movies left on the slate for 2017, rank them all in order of anticipation for yourself. Here is my list.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Spider-Man: Homecoming
3. Justice League
4. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
5. Thor: Ragnarok


Guardians 2
Thor: Ragnarok
Spider-Man


DC movies
 

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