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MCU Rumor Reveals When the X-Men Reboot Will Release

A new rumor has explained why Marvel Studios didn't discuss mutants at Comic-Con and when the MCU's X-Men movie could release.
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This rumor is quite interesting. It claims we won't see any new X-Men movie announcement at D23 due to previous Fox contract limitations. Its says that per the contracts, the old cast needs to be used if making any movies with those mutant characters prior to 2025. This is why having Patrick Stewart play Charles Xavior was fine or having Ms. Marvel being a mutant was fine, since her character wasn't in any previous Fox movies. Who knows if this is true or not, but interesting if true.
 
Gorm said:
Speaking of Chadwick Boseman. I can't see any other franchise just retiring a character after an actors sudden passing. Would they retire Superman or Batman if the actor playing those characters passes away? It just seems odd strategy for the future of the Black Panther story line.

I'm sure the character will be back at some point, this whole thing is going to have to be rebooted. Likely after Secret Wars.
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As a fan, I agree, but I think Marvel had to tread lightly regarding replacing Boseman. Being the first African American to headline an MCU film, coupled with the circumstances of his death and his philanthropy, he was revered by a lot of people. Many fans don't understand the 'passing of the mantle' amongst superheroes in comics and I think a quick recasting could have gone very badly for Marvel.
 
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Cool.

If Marvel continues this trend of "assembly line content" type shows, yes, they will drop significantly and there will be massive changes to these announced "phases." We already saw them drastically change Phase 4.

Remember this announcement?

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And? Of the 25 projects listed there, none have been cancelled, 13 have been released, and we've gotten trailers for two more that will release this year (plus trailers that were shown exclusively to SDCC goers for two more), plus the GotG Holiday Special that is still on track for 2022 release.

What's more likely? That the MCU has stalled out and Marvel is kicking the can down the road, or there was a global pandemic that drastically shifted production schedules and cratered box office sales, so they had to overhaul their release schedule?

The MCU is still going to be around in a couple years.
 
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And? Of the 25 projects listed there, none have been cancelled, 13 have been released, and we've gotten trailers for two more that will release this year (plus trailers that were shown exclusively to SDCC goers for two more), plus the GotG Holiday Special that is still on track for 2022 release.

What's more likely? That the MCU has stalled out and Marvel is kicking the can down the road, or there was a global pandemic that drastically shifted production schedules and cratered box office sales, so they had to overhaul their release schedule?

The MCU is still going to be around in a couple years.
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I didn't say canceled. I said it was drastically changed. Also, every phase was building towards something. What exactly did Phase 4 build to. It seemed to be headed towards the Kang story line, but he was completely absent from MOM.

The "pandemic" excuse isn't exactly an excuse for the box office results of Thor Love and Thunder. Disney expects all of their "tent pole" franchise movies to exceed a billion dollars. This one is probably going to be about 300 short of a billion.

Franchise Fatigue is a real thing, and its starting to set in.
 
coolerifyoudid said:
Not sure how I feel about this. Shang-Chi was ok for me, but the ending seemed very thrown together. I would have loved to have gotten the Russo brothers again.
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They’ve said they’d only return to helm Secret Wars, but it doesn’t even look like they’re doing that. 4 MCU movies (3 of which were basically avengers movies) is a large undertaking, I can understand why they want to move on.
 
Gorm said:
The "pandemic" excuse isn't exactly an excuse for the box office results of Thor Love and Thunder. Disney expects all of their "tent pole" franchise movies to exceed a billion dollars.
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This seems like a false expectation, as it certainly doesn't jive with history.

The only movies that have crossed that line are usually big team up Avengers movies and Spider-Man movies. Captain Marvel got there too, but mainly because it sat in between Infinity War and Endgame and it was seen something that had to be seen before endgame given it was teased in the end of IW. Black Panther also got there, but it was a phenomenon on its own.

Also, T:L&T is on pace with Ragnarok domestically, and that was viewed as a big success. Not having China\Russia in its box office is a difference of ~130mil. Add those back in to make a fair comparable and it would be a perfectly fine number around $850mil.
 
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Gorm said:
The "pandemic" excuse isn't exactly an excuse for the box office results of Thor Love and Thunder. Disney expects all of their "tent pole" franchise movies to exceed a billion dollars. This one is probably going to be about 300 short of a billion.
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Yeah that can't be true. It's still a movie with a 250 million budget that is going to gross probably 750 million. That's a win no matter how you want to cut it.
 
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alarson said:
The only movies that have crossed that line are usually big team up Avengers movies and Spider-Man movies. Captain Marvel got there too, but mainly because it sat in between Infinity War and Endgame and it was seen something that had to be seen before endgame given it was teased in the end of IW. Black Panther also got there, but it was a phenomenon on its own.

Also, T:L&T is on pace with Ragnarok domestically, and that was viewed as a big success. Not having China\Russia in its box office is a difference of ~130mil. Add those back in to make a fair comparable and it would be a perfectly fine number around $850mil.
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I didn't say Thor was going to lose money at the box office. I said the expectation was for all of Disney's "tent pole" franchise films was to clear over a billion in revenue. This is true of the Industry at large. Many folks at WB were angry that "The Batman" didn't clear that billion dollar hurdle either.

Of course the film is going to make money, but its going to fail Disney's expectations for the IP.

Also, that 250 number doesn't include marketing costs.
 
alarson said:
This seems like a false expectation, as it certainly doesn't jive with history.

The only movies that have crossed that line are usually big team up Avengers movies and Spider-Man movies. Captain Marvel got there too, but mainly because it sat in between Infinity War and Endgame and it was seen something that had to be seen before endgame given it was teased in the end of IW. Black Panther also got there, but it was a phenomenon on its own.

Also, T:L&T is on pace with Ragnarok domestically, and that was viewed as a big success. Not having China\Russia in its box office is a difference of ~130mil. Add those back in to make a fair comparable and it would be a perfectly fine number around $850mil.
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I agree. No way the expectation is for all of these to make over $1 billion. In fact, only 10 out of 29 MCU movies have grossed over $1 billion worldwide. Like you said, the only movies the expectations should be above that really are all Avengers movies, as well as maybe all Spider-Man ones now, even though the first didn't even clear it. Regardless if you think quality is lacking or not, I'd hardly say it is showing up in the numbers yet:

-Of the 6 Phase 4 movies so far, 2 of them have cleared $1 billion, which is right on par with the previous phases percentage-wise
-Both Spider-Man movies in Phase 4 cleared the $1 billion mark, while the first Spider-Man movie previous to Phase 4 did not
-Doctor Strange 2 nearly cleared $1 billion, and made $954 million as compared to $676,000 for Doctor Strange 1
-Thor: Love and Thunder has nearly made $600 million and is on pace to end near Thor: Ragnarok's $850 million total, yet has already cleared Thor 1's $449 million total
-I'm not sure a single Phase 4 movie has been released in the world's 2nd biggest box office of China due to political reasons verse nearly all the previous phases' movies were
-Multiple Phase 4 movies were greatly affected by the pandemic, especially Black Widow and The Eternals

Again, you can think what you will about the lack of direction for the MCU or the waning quality to some level, I'm just arguing it hasn't exactly showed up in the numbers quite yet. This could change in the future for sure, but to say we are already seeing it isn't exactly true.
 
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Brought the “Mutiverse of Madness “ bluray home and gave it a watch.

Now ready for a thumbs up rating after not seeing it since theater opening night.

Having control and the audio on my system made quite a difference.
 
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I get the complaints on quality of the Disney+ shows but I think all the Phase 4 movies are right there with everything else. There just haven't been big Avengers level movies yet. After Endgame and some of the characters departing there was a need to go back to more individual movies and start slowly intertwining stories and building things up again. Spider-Man, Shang Chi and Dr Strange 2 were all very good MCU movies IMO. I personally enjoyed Thor even though I thought it could be better. I need to watch Eternals again. Black Widow was good but just out of place on release date and I think that hurt it's perception.

I think after Endgame it was always going to be hard to live up to expectations and I think there's been so much content now that there is a little bit of pickiness from the viewers.
 
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I think the biggest problem for Disney\Marvel is figuring out how to do the pacing right for their shows. That's been the biggest problem. They've mostly been good (though i've not yet seen Ms. Marvel and I felt that Cap&WS clearly suffered from big rewrites) but they have some similar habits\problems throughout all of them, especially how they pack a bunch in and then try to resolve everything in the last episode or two- a lot of the series would have been better with another couple episodes.

And honestly I dont know that this is the only franchise still 'figuring it out' with regards to this. The shorter seasons we're seeing everywhere are a different paradigm and I think writers are struggling with how to fit everything people would expect in a longer season into these more condensed ones. I don't expect TV to ever get back to having 25 episodes per season, but we need to bounce back to a middle ground where shows have 15-18 episodes.
 
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alarson said:
I think the biggest problem for Disney\Marvel is figuring out how to do the pacing right for their shows. That's been the biggest problem. They've mostly been good (though i've not yet seen Ms. Marvel and I felt that Cap&WS clearly suffered from big rewrites) but they have some similar habits\problems throughout all of them, especially how they pack a bunch in and then try to resolve everything in the last episode or two- a lot of the series would have been better with another couple episodes.

And honestly I dont know that this is the only franchise still 'figuring it out' with regards to this. The shorter seasons we're seeing everywhere are a different paradigm and I think writers are struggling with how to fit everything people would expect in a longer season into these more condensed ones. I don't expect TV to ever get back to having 25 episodes per season, but we need to bounce back to a middle ground where shows have 15-18 episodes.
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I don't think they should feel locked into a certain number of episodes at all. Just figure out how many you need for the story you want to tell. Most of the Marvel shows have wound up feeling like they needed maybe two more episodes. Ditto for Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan, for that matter. The one exception, IMO, has been Loki.
 
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Well it sounds like they are starting to figure it out, at least for SW. They are doing 12 episodes for Andor, and from all reports it actually feels more like a TV show and not a extra long movie. They've even said it's likely to have a season 2 with another 12 episodes.

I know when they announced 18 episodes for Daredevil Reborn that people got nervous since most agree the Netflix shows were all at least 2-3 episodes too long. But if the choice is too few episodes to tell a good story and too many that they need to add a filler episode or two, I'd rather have the latter. Although, I hope they do more of a 2-3 story arcs thing that tie together at the end.
 
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Well it sounds like they are starting to figure it out, at least for SW. They are doing 12 episodes for Andor, and from all reports it actually feels more like a TV show and not a extra long movie. They've even said it's likely to have a season 2 with another 12 episodes.

I know when they announced 18 episodes for Daredevil Reborn that people got nervous since most agree the Netflix shows were all at least 2-3 episodes too long. But if the choice is too few episodes to tell a good story and too many that they need to add a filler episode or two, I'd rather have the latter. Although, I hope they do more of a 2-3 story arcs thing that tie together at the end.
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And sometimes, filler isn't bad.

Going back to the really long shows of the past, some of the best episodes of shows like TNG were one-off episodes like The Inner Light and Lower Decks.
 
Speaking of the first half of movies, I find the Edward Norton Hulk movie to be really good early.

Then Liv Tyler (yeesh) and to a lesser degree Tim Roth, Tim Blake Nelson, and William Hurt occupy a lot of the second half and it's basically a faceplant.

After that Hulk was mostly a minor player in team movies.
 
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