Interesting take. What I thought I was gonna get with ZSJL was what you said you got, however, what I ended up getting was a much better version. I was VERY pleasantly surprised how much I loved it. To each their own.
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Interesting take. What I thought I was gonna get with ZSJL was what you said you got, however, what I ended up getting was a much better version. I was VERY pleasantly surprised how much I loved it. To each their own.
I really liked Hawkeye for the first 5 episodes, as it was just a non-sci-fi fun time for me. HOWEVER, everything you said for the final episode is what really put a damper on it for me.
There was zero delivery or punch in the last episode. Kingpin was completely worthless, the watch thing was absolutely pointless imo and I found the finale to just be disjointed and didn't connect with the other episodes in a way to wrap things up.
Maybe they weren't going for anything big with this series, but I feel with how they did the end of Episode 5 revealing Kingpin they needed to do more in Episode 6.
I still rank it ahead of Falcon and Winter Soldier, as just for me I was bored senseless with that series aside from Zemo and moments here and there. But Hawkeye was a solid #2 to WandaVision for me, and now I have to really digest how much the finale brings it down for me.
I feel the exact same. I really found myself enjoying the series through episode 5, and I’m not a fan of Hawkeye (or Renner, for that matter). I was pumped for episode 6. What a dud, and it was clear 10 minutes into the episode it was crap. Really disappointing.
Funny. I watched Episode Six twice right away, I liked it so much. Which I never do.
I feel like some of you were looking for payoffs in the wrong places—or the wrong payoffs in the first place. The watch was tertiary at best. It served it’s purpose (for the moment). I loved Episode Six.
I feel like some of you were looking for payoffs in the wrong places—or the wrong payoffs in the first place. The watch was tertiary at best. It served it’s purpose (for the moment). I loved Episode Six.
I enjoyed ep6, but it did get a bit ridiculous with the final fight. Once dozens of track suits in multiple waves showed up, it felt like a video game. It was even more egregious upon the second viewing.
The watch was ultimately just an easter egg for hardcore fans as there was nothing about the watch to really make any sort of connection between Clint and the owner of the watch. For that matter there wasn't anything to indicate who the watch even belonged to.
The watch was ultimately just an easter egg for hardcore fans as there was nothing about the watch to really make any sort of connection between Clint and the owner of the watch. For that matter there wasn't anything to indicate who the watch even belonged to.
I enjoyed Hawkeye overall; I would put it behind Wandavision and maybe Loki but ahead of F&TWS for Marvel shows. One question I do have though is about the seeming invincibility of Kingpin in the last episode; did they really level this guy up or what??? I know he's always been a big physically imposing presence and one tough customer since Day 1, but in this episode he takes an arrow to the chest and shrugs it off like he would a mosquito bite and gets up and has a fight about being hit by a good size care, then is able to stand up and limp away after being in the middle of a small explosion? That was all a bit much. As you wrote above regarding his fights with Daredevil, he is pretty tough but also beatable. He was at a Thanos level of physical power in this episode, which struck me as being off.
They made a big deal out him then he gets shot. For such a good bad guy, that was not good. You got the sense the episode was gonna be all over the place when he was explaining in his Hawaiian shirt all the problems he was dealing with.
He almost always has some sort of bulletproof/knifeproof shirts/suits. I think that is what they we're implying when the arrow was stopped. At least I hope that is what they were implying.
I don't remember that being a part of his character in the Daredevil Netflix series though? If that's what they were going for they did a p!ss poor job of showing it. To the viewer who doesn't know anything about the character or doesn't know as much as hard core Kingpin fans it seems like he was practically immortal.
The Melvin Potter guy that ends up making Daredevil's suit, made suits for Kingpin.
From a screen rant article:
In Hawkeye's finale, the Kingpin was shot point-blank by Kate Bishop's arrows and he brushed the impact off, and this is a subtle callback to Daredevil. Kingpin slapped away the arrows Kate got from Hawkeye because his clothes are actually practically indestructible bulletproof armor that resembles cloth. In Daredevil, Wilson Fisk's clothes were made by Melvin Potter (Matt Gerald), a mentally-impaired ex-con who is also a genius weapons designer for the underworld. Potter was conscripted to make all of the Kingpin's suits, which Hawkeye establishes also extends to Fisk's jaunty Hawaiian shirt. Thus, the Potter-designed clothes can withstand the impact of bullets and knives. After Matt Murdock learned of Potter, he asked Melvin to make him his Daredevil costume. Fisk also made Melvin create an identical red and black devil suit for Benjamin Poindexter AKA Bullseye (Wilson Bethel) in Daredevil season 3.
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Looks like he’s trying to smash Spider-Man with his junk.The shirt was a nod to the cover of Family Business.
Ah, that makes much more sense now.
Of course, there was absolutely no exposition or explanation of this given in the finale. I enjoyed the episode and the series, but they really dropped the ball there.
There was lots of balls dropped everywhere in the finale. On a separate note, I came to love the Swordsman by the end of the show.
I’m not sure I was looking for any particular “payoff”. I thought the first 5 episodes were fun. Seemed to have a bit of a flow to them. Payoff or not, episode 6 was “off”. Pacing, tone, etc didn’t go with the rest of the series. Had the first 5 episodes been what 6 was, I never would have made it to the finale.