Marvel Cinematic Universe
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No love for Captain America: The Winter Soldier huh??? Best fight scenes in any of the MCU yet. I could re-watch those many times and never get tired of them.
The animated Dr. Strange movie that is on Netflix was actually really entertaining. That's a character where animation really helps sell some of the supernatural elements, so I'm wondering how that is going to translate in the live-action adaptation. I think Tilda Swinton is going to steal the spotlight from Benedict Cumberbatch when she portrays The Ancient One. She has a knack for tackling gender-ambiguous roles (like Gabriel in Constantine and the villain in Snowpiercer) that make you really throw aside gender stereotypes as a viewer and focus on the character's motivations.
Superhero fan here also and this has been a good thread. I liked Triggermv's original list and thought it was fairly close to my own, although I like the Thor movies better than he did. Regardless, I only have one disagreement with this thread and that is the statement below. I can almost guarantee (I'm sitting at 99.9% right now) that Marvel has NEVER considered Iron Man to be a "B or C" list character. He has always been on the A-team along with Thor, Hulk, Spiderman, and Cap. Getting Spidey engaged with this group is hopefully only going to do great things for this series. The Guardians are certainly a C or maybe even D group to Marvel that was a huge investment that payed off handsomely for them.
MCU bought back Spider Man the last I heard. They are rebooting the series again and as part of the deal half the profits from the first movie go to Sony (to make up for the third Andrew Garfield film that won't be made now) then MCU owns Spider Man outright after that.
There is no way in hell though that Fox would ever let go of the X-Men.
There is no way in hell though that Fox would ever let go of the X-Men.
While I still believe in my “A/B/C list”, I’m not just magically making those statements up. What I’m referring to is also in nearly every special feature that Marvel has made about their movies because they, as well as everyone in the industry knew it themselves. It was pretty much common knowledge. Here are a couple great documentaries made by Marvel themselves to watch where they refer to it.
http://putlocker.is/watch-marvel-75-years-from-pulp-to-pop-online-free-putlocker.html
Check out around the 33:00 mark on this one to see them use terms such as “Marvel is rolling out the B-team”, Marvel is missing rights to a lot of their “heavy hitters”.
Here is another one where they talk about it too:
http://putlocker.is/watch-marvel-studios-assembling-a-universe-online-free-putlocker.html
Both are great documentaries by the way.
All said and done, everyone has slightly different definitions, but there are really very few “A” list comic book heroes. My “A” list really only includes Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, X-Men (as a team, not individually), and maybe the Hulk (I truly think Hulk is B-list still), and Marvel didn't own rights to any of them (struck a deal with Paramount to do a Hulk stand-alone movie). "A-list" stars can essentially get thrown into any movie and regardless of whether the movie is crap, everyone will still go and see it. Outside of those, you are stretching. While it is hard to even think about Iron Man once being B-list, he was, which is why nobody can even think of Iron Man outside of Robert Downey Jr. and also why this whole venture was such a leap of faith in the first place that happened to just become a hit. Shoot, at least DC/Warner Bros owns movie rights to ALL their characters. These movies have just turned most these characters into A-list stars now. The A-list is much bigger now than it used to be, but superheroes in general are much bigger now than they used to be too.
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I totally agree that Fox will never give up X-Men. At best, after they get done with all their current slate of movies scheduled, they MAYBE strike a Spiderman/Marvel/Sony type of deal to reboot them in the MCU, but I doubt even that. They are just too successful on their own where Fox makes 100% of the profits.
As for your talks about the Spider Man/Sony deal, I don't think you are right about Marvel eventually owning Spiderman again after this deal with Sony is done. I haven't seen that anywhere, but if you have an article or something about it, I'd love to read it. Also, it just doesn't make sense for Sony to EVER fully give up Spider Man unless Marvel cuts a MAJOR check. He is just too popular of a character.
On another note, one thing that gets forgotten with who owns who on these Marvel movie rights is that the exact same goes for all of Marvel's villains too. In fact, probably the biggest criticism of all the Marvel films so far has been that while the heroes have been great, the villains have been forgettable and lackluster. Well, a lot of that has to do with the fact that other studios own the rights to many of the best Marvel villains too. Some great examples are Dr. Doom, Magneto, Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, and pretty much any other Spidey villain for that matter too. Again, Marvel is making all these hits in the MCU with still multiple hands tied behind their back.
What you say is very true and in essence they do have a hand tied behind their back. But also, by being able to bring out lesser known characters they are able to mold them and shape them for the movies in a way that can't do with the bigger stars of their universe. No one cared how they portrayed Guardians, provided they made a good movie. That said for the most part they have stuck to ******, but at the same time they have creative license to mold the characters to the big screen where they might not so easily be able to do that with Spiderman, or the X-men. Not that those characters wouldn't be just as big of hits, but they don't get any backlash if they have to change a major character point or story arch.
There is probably some truth to what you are saying for sure. Haven't thought about it too much in that light, but it has given them some additional first-mover creative freedom they might of otherwise not had with many of the A-listers. I will say this though, the villains thing is pretty tough to swing as a positive since they've yet to succeed much with these lesser-knowns outside of Loki. DC has had much more success modeling their films around some killer villains in the past than Marvel has, but Marvel also has focused more screen time on developing the heroes than the villains too.
Yes. I finished it Saturday night and am on my second go around on it. I really enjoyed it. I think I liked Daredevil more but it is still really good.
Agree with point on the villains. Think my point only pertains to heroes. Thought Ultron could have been better than it was, I thin that is a good example of needing to spend some more time building the backstory of the villain. But at the same time they have so much smashed in there that they really are handcuffed. At least they do a lot better job than what was done with Green Lantern. What a disaster that was especially from that perspective.
Yep, Age of Ultron: Too many characters, not enough character development, too many storylines, too much focus on setting up next movies, not a good standalone film, too much over-the-top CGI (CGI porn is what I call it). Result: Decent movie but not great
I don't know about you guys, avengers were an a-list comic when I was a kid. Xmen had a bigger child following due to Saturday morning cartoons, but avengers and fantastic four seemed to be equally popular. In fact, infinity gauntlet series was my favorite crossover series growing up and led me to own several off list comics I had never read. Just my 2¢ on a list vs b list.