Makale Foreman Grad Transfer
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Ok, he doesn't have to be DeAndre Kane to contribute. I haven't seen anyone suggest he's as good as Kane.
Didn't say that. But people are acting like Kane wasn't really freaking good before he got here and that it was a surprise he was good. Only thing that kept people away from Kane was his history of acting out not getting along with teammates/coaches.
DeAndre was always a huge get. It was known he was nearly exactly what that team needed as soon as we started recruiting him. I remember thinking that once he played for Hoiberg we’d see a bump across the board. When you’ve built a culture on having a green light to take good shots, with forwards like Ejim and Georges, it is going to help. He didn’t have any prohibitive physical traits, and Hoiberg had already proven to handle guys like White and Allen.
A bigger surprise was Hogue.
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"Huge get" was not "eventual All-American."
I do not think anybody anticipated THAT.
Yeah, and his free throw numbers don't suggest he's getting to the rim much. But sometimes guys like him end up having to chuck at the end of the shot clock out of necessity. It might help not having to be the man as much.
http://barttorvik.com/team.php?team=Stony+Brook&year=2020
50% on close 2's (24-48)
33% on far 2's (38-117)
That 50% at the rim is poor. Probably don't want him taking that many mid range shots either.
His free throw rate also isn't good which isn't ideal because he's borderline elite when he gets to the line.
It doesn’t?
I anticipated those kind of stats. Voter based accolades aren’t terribly relevant.
There are no guarantees, but even before he signed it was known Kane would be as big of transfer get as we’d had. Both due to fit and innate talent.
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I agree with you that the All-American teams are particularly fraught for these purposes. For instance, Niang and Morris had magnificent seasons from a statistical and an efficiency standpoint their senior years, but because the team itself was a Top 20 squad and not a Top 10 one that won many championships, neither of them received much. The AA teams are a lot like the Heisman voting with the same “best player on the best team” bias about them. You need to have some ESPN hype around you, too.
I think that is less true with the all-B12 teams, though, and voting for CPOTY. The voters are much more familiar with the candidates, the schedule is balanced between the teams, and therefore you have a set of voters understanding candidates, choosing from a reasonable number of choices, and do not have the issues for adjusting for scheduling quality.
DeAndre was first-team all-B12 along with Melvin. Even if you were bullish on DeAndre coming into that year, predicting he was going to be voted as one of the five best players in the conference — and undoubtedly deserve it — would have been pretty bullish of you given some of his numbers at Marshall. I really want some investment tips from you going forward if you somehow knew a guy who shot 25% from three in C-USA was going to go toe-to-toe with a handful of future lottery picks for the title of the best guard in the conference and basically come out ahead of them. Saying that guy was going to be better than Marcus Smart would take some brass buttons.
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Never thought he would be that good, but Bob Huggins knew him from Marshall and spoke very highly of him pre season.
Cal seems to have a taller campanile.
Also, we could use a couple more guys that are good at the basketball thing.
