LJ Promoted with Bucs

If he is good enough he will make it regardless of where he's from or his measurables.

I have a friend from a much smaller program that wasnt on anyones radar that made an nfl team just by happening to know a coach that invited him to camp and proving he was beast mode.

Are you talking about Fred Jackson? I thought about posting his story because he only played at Coe College and still made the NFL but it took some bouncing around first.
 
It's absolutely a reputation issue. If Leonard had this type of success at Oklahoma, but than ran a 4.75 forty at the combine, he would still have gotten drafted. That's not a debate, that's a fact.

Guys that get drafted from NW Montana State get drafted because they generally run fast or do something that sets them apart to have a team give them a shot or take a flyer on them.
Don't confuse reputation for lacking the same talent. He wouldn't have been a starter at Oklahoma and wouldn't have been drafted anyways. The people who had LJ going high in the draft were Cyclone fans, just like Collin Franklin was going to get drafted. I'm going to have to side with the guys who get paid the big bucks to analyze potential draft picks.
 
It's not an issue at all with ISU's reputation. It's that he's a slightly above average corner who didn't get many shots because he had the likes of Kennard Banks and Jeremy Reeves across the field. No need to throw towards him with those two on the other side.

He made some great plays, and he made some really boneheaded plays. He's not a great corner and that's why he wasn't drafted. Of course they're going to say they're glad he fell out of the draft so they could give him a shot. They aren't going to throw one of their players under the bus.

I disagree. "Slightly above average" corners do not find themselves at NFL camps, especially running with the draft picks. I'm not saying he is great but there is a lot of green between slightly above average and great.
 
Maybe teams were afraid he would lead the league in cocky personal fouls that allowed opposing teams to retain possesions?
 
Don't confuse reputation for lacking the same talent. He wouldn't have been a starter at Oklahoma and wouldn't have been drafted anyways. The people who had LJ going high in the draft were Cyclone fans, just like Collin Franklin was going to get drafted. I'm going to have to side with the guys who get paid the big bucks to analyze potential draft picks.

Huh?

Leonard Johnson was a 2nd team All Big 12 CB for 2 seasons. In the most pass happy league out there. He slid b/c he ran a 4.75 forty at the combine and he did it while coming out of Iowa State. There is really no other reason.

I believe at one time Mayock had LJ as the 5th best corner. At one time people had him in the 3rd to 4th round. Than he ran the poor forty. For kids coming from named programs they would have slid but still been drafted. But LJ came from Iowa State
 
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Don't confuse reputation for lacking the same talent. He wouldn't have been a starter at Oklahoma and wouldn't have been drafted anyways. The people who had LJ going high in the draft were Cyclone fans, just like Collin Franklin was going to get drafted. I'm going to have to side with the guys who get paid the big bucks to analyze potential draft picks.


Why exactly are you an ISU fan? You seem constantly negative about most issues regarding Iowa State.
 
Maybe teams were afraid he would lead the league in cocky personal fouls that allowed opposing teams to retain possesions?
Congrats on being an *** in your first post, and welcome to the forum. I see a bright future for you here.
 
Maybe teams were afraid he would lead the league in cocky personal fouls that allowed opposing teams to retain possesions?

Really? Maybe you aren't old enough to remember Hobbs, but he would walk on the field and waive his arms around to get the crowd into it by himself before and after plays, amount other things. You think the Titans would get rid of their corner that is known for talking more trash than anyone in the league and late hits? No. LJ has a great attitude for a corner, and is def more than just above avg. Not many corners play only man against the best in the country and he did for 4 years. Just shut your mouth, shut your mouth, shu, just shut your mouth right, you just sound really stupid right now.
 
It's absolutely a reputation issue. If Leonard had this type of success at Oklahoma, but than ran a 4.75 forty at the combine, he would still have gotten drafted. That's not a debate, that's a fact.

Guys that get drafted from NW Montana State get drafted because they generally run fast or do something that sets them apart to have a team give them a shot or take a flyer on them.

You can't throw out a hypothetical and then call it a fact. Just because you say it's a fact, doesn't make it one...despite what politicians tell you.
 
It's absolutely a reputation issue. If Leonard had this type of success at Oklahoma, but than ran a 4.75 forty at the combine, he would still have gotten drafted. That's not a debate, that's a fact.

Guys that get drafted from NW Montana State get drafted because they generally run fast or do something that sets them apart to have a team give them a shot or take a flyer on them.
This! If he was at a more prominant school, his 40 time would have dropped him but it wouldn't have knocked him out of the draft. LJ is short, his 40 time says slow, and he did not have a lot of interceptions because he tipped balls. Now, he is very physical which helps his speed issue and he moves very well. He may not have had INTs because he may have been coached to tip rather than play the ball.

In the end, I think he makes a squad and plays some. He is a "football player." He has "it."
 
This! If he was at a more prominant school, his 40 time would have dropped him but it wouldn't have knocked him out of the draft. LJ is short, his 40 time says slow, and he did not have a lot of interceptions because he tipped balls. Now, he is very physical which helps his speed issue and he moves very well. He may not have had INTs because he may have been coached to tip rather than play the ball.

In the end, I think he makes a squad and plays some. He is a "football player." He has "it."

He didn't have picks because it was easier to pick on Kennard Banks and Jeremy Reeves. Physically he's got the size for the NFL but does he have the speed to keep up? His physicality will help on a receiver at the line of scrimmage but can he keep up if he can't get his hands on them? He's a very solid tackler but not fast enough to get good breaks on the ball playing zone.

In fairness, he never really was given a chance in college to be a lockdown talent because he was just playing either left or right corner. He wasn't matching up play after play against the Blackmon's of the world.
 
He didn't have picks because it was easier to pick on Kennard Banks and Jeremy Reeves. Physically he's got the size for the NFL but does he have the speed to keep up? His physicality will help on a receiver at the line of scrimmage but can he keep up if he can't get his hands on them? He's a very solid tackler but not fast enough to get good breaks on the ball playing zone.

In fairness, he never really was given a chance in college to be a lockdown talent because he was just playing either left or right corner. He wasn't matching up play after play against the Blackmon's of the world.
That really is the question.

I think he did fine when put on an island. He went up against five WR's that were drafted this year and more than held his own.
 

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