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I can buy into this. Wonder if THT would have issues coming off the bench. We'll see how Prohm plays it. Jacobson had such a good noncon, but he really struggles as our big man when the opponent has skill & athleticism inside (Iowa w/ Cook; most of the B12). He really needs to play with Lard or Young so we're not exposed on D & the boards, but I don't know how much Prohm will do that - probably so against really big teams (don't know who that is in conference - Baylor always seems to have eight 7-footers, but I haven't watched them).
Hard to make generalizations based on one conference game, but I am leaning toward Haliburton starting and THT coming off the bench. Lard is starting to show why Prohm said ISU's ceiling is how well Lard regains/improves his game from last season. I still think Jacobson will be effective in the post, though perhaps less so due to increased competition vs conference big men.
The most important play last night, IMO, was Wigg finally hitting a 3 pointer, especially in crunch time. Not that he lacks in confidence in his shot, but all players at any level perform better when they're playing confidently. Hopefully, his shooting form returns just in time for KU. Got nosebleed seats for the game, but it'll be worth it to be in Hilton for the biggest home game of the season. It'll come down to defensive execution in the last 2 minutes, I think being able to clamp down in the second half last night as well as the last 5 minutes of the Drake game will serve the team well. Sounds like they realize playing good D is the key to a successful season.
I think the lineup is falling into place except for a backup for Shayok when he's out of the game. IMO 35 mins is too much for him, especially if he's struggling.
The options appear to be Talley, THT, Lewis, or going with two bigs.
Talley is the natural fit but I just don't know if he adds much as what they really need is a shooter rather than another creator/streaky scorer.
THT or Lewis worry me in their ability to guard Big 12 4s.
Lard/Jacobson/Young played exactly 40 min, never on the floor together. I would have liked to see it as I think Oklahoma St would have struggled to guard two bigs but Prohm has seemed pretty committed all season to only playing one big at a time.
The options appear to be Talley, THT, Lewis, or going with two bigs.
Talley is the natural fit but I just don't know if he adds much as what they really need is a shooter rather than another creator/streaky scorer.
THT or Lewis worry me in their ability to guard Big 12 4s.
Lard/Jacobson/Young played exactly 40 min, never on the floor together. I would have liked to see it as I think Oklahoma St would have struggled to guard two bigs but Prohm has seemed pretty committed all season to only playing one big at a time.
In regards to my original post - I in no way was trying to degrade Babb! I think he is a very important piece of this team and a great basketball player and leader. With that being said, we all know Wigginton has to start. You have to play a post regardless of who that becomes....so that leaves Wigginton taking one of the other 4 spots. In my opinion the one you bring off the bench is Babb. That in no way is any disrespect to him.
I also said I don't think it will happen primarily because of him being an upperclassman (my opinion), but Prohm seems to be very loyal to those guys.
I also said I don't think it will happen primarily because of him being an upperclassman (my opinion), but Prohm seems to be very loyal to those guys.
Yep, I was definitely projecting re: Jacobson in the B12. I'm not down on him as a player, and he provides good O (usually; hopefully, last night was a blip) and hustles; he just doesn't provide a defensive presence in the lane. I think that'll be more important as we go through conference and think he'll need to be paired with Young or Lard if he's in for long stretches. Don't know if Prohm will do that. Don't know if he should. Quite a lot to sort out for the coaches.
I don't disagree with that. Primary issue is no defensive presence inside. Doesn't mean he shouldn't play, just that who he plays with has to matter - as well as who we're playing against. If other team doesn't have size or has "Euro" big men, not much of an issue. If bangers/teams that go to the hoop, more of a problem. If our guards are better on the ball on D, that'll help in some cases too.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but Haliburton needs to be on the floor as much as possible. If that requires less mins for THT or for him to come off the bench then it needs to happen. This isn't to say THT isn't good or doesn't deserve to start but with how this team is comprised (ball dominant players like MS and Wiggs), it needs what Haliburton can bring. That's why Babb is crucial too. These 2 can be productive without the ball. THT not as much.
Why would that be unpopular? I think everyone sees the value that TH brings.
Agreed, I thought before the season that THT would be our 6th man and Im sticking by that. Haliburton just brings a better all around game and NWB needs to play as much as possible. I think you can bring THT off the bench and he can still get 20-25 minutes a game.
Played 39 minutes last night so Steve must agree. MY possible unpopular opinion is that he makes the team go.
There must be some value to NWB too since he played 37 minutes even though some think he should be a manager or something.
Everything CSP has said all season leads me to believe that TH will not come off the bench. He has said multiple times that he needs to be on the floor as much as possible. I think we will see THT coming off the bench.
We have enough players to make sure if someone is jacking up shots and missing wide open looks we can sub them out. Like shayok last night.
I am a believer that having a 6th man who can light it up off the bench is always a good thing. I think THT is the best candidate as he is a bit of a swiss army knife as well.
I think overall we need at least one of NWB or TH on the court at all times though.
I think overall we need at least one of NWB or TH on the court at all times though.
Jacobson isn't as good of a clean up rim defender as Lard, but is a better man to man defender and better against guards if caught in a switch and is much better in pick and roll defense. Young is better than Jacobson in man to man post defense especially against beefier posts who try to bully their way into the lane but offers less on offense. Jacobson can stretch the defense better than both of them.
I love them all. It is great to have options depending on what the game requires or in the event of foul trouble. It would be great to have each of them for about 15 minutes going full throttle.
Do we think Prohm eventually changes the starting line up or keep with what's been working? I just don't see anyway Wigg should be relegated to 6th man due to an injury. He's too good and what would coming off the bench for the remainder of the season do to his mentality?
I think eventually it will be
Wigginton
Babb
Shayok
Halliburton
Jacobson
Bench
Lard
Tucker
Young
maybe Talley and or Lewis
Sit and watch
Probably Talley and or Lewis
Conditt
Griffin
Wigginton
Babb
Shayok
Halliburton
Jacobson
Bench
Lard
Tucker
Young
maybe Talley and or Lewis
Sit and watch
Probably Talley and or Lewis
Conditt
Griffin
I don't think there is anyway that you can continue to bring Wigginton of the bench, even with it working. With the way Haliburton has been playing I think you have to go
Wigginton
Haliburton
Babb
Shayock
Jacobsen
Wigginton
Haliburton
Babb
Shayock
Jacobsen
I just don’t understand why Wigginton HAS to start?
Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
I’ll trust Prohm
Don’t fix what isn’t broken.
I’ll trust Prohm