What a shocker. Teams that lose all feel they are getting the shaft and that the team that wins always gets preference. Here's a tip. Go out and read the comments listed after every single college basketball game. There will always be some fan of the team that lost crying about how they got screwed by the worst refs they have ever seen. See the common thread? Fans are lazy and want to whine about how bad things are someone else's fault and that they are getting screwed by "the man". This is the whine that is poisoning our country. No one wants to take ownership of their own problems or weaknesses. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault that they don't get what they want. Like I said, it doesn't make you less of a fan to question the actions of your own team that led to a loss. I see some level headed ISU fans doing it on here. It's called being objective. I am the first to gripe about all the issues I see with KU. Frankly, they have a lot more improvements to make this year.
Kansas Sucks.
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1. We did not lose this game because of the refs. We shot the ball like ****, that is why we lost. that is it. It wasn't because Kansas was awesome at defense either. we missed tons of wide open looks.
2. I am so tired of other fan bases judging number of fouls as to whether or not the refs were good or not. The fact is deep teams, like Kansas, Iowa, Kansas St(in the past), try to foul as much as possible. they have the depth, so they don't care. they know the refs aren't going to call every foul, so they get away with playing rougher overall.
3. if we shoot the ball well, we will win any game.
2. I am so tired of other fan bases judging number of fouls as to whether or not the refs were good or not. The fact is deep teams, like Kansas, Iowa, Kansas St(in the past), try to foul as much as possible. they have the depth, so they don't care. they know the refs aren't going to call every foul, so they get away with playing rougher overall.
3. if we shoot the ball well, we will win any game.
If you thought Kansas was TRYING to foul you are nuts. Bill Self was going to melt some faces on the bench over there. Stupid fouls and stupid turnovers are the last thing standing between KU and a really good year.
'Kansas Sucks' does not merit it's own thread. They beat us on an off night, get over it and start to worry about Texas.
LOL, go check his other posts. According to him the real travesty was some charge call on Withey. He says that had a much bigger impact on the game than the no call on the charge.
He's a charicture of dumb jayhawk fan.
This is mud in the face of Cyclone fanatic fans who say that we don't need a true center, are you kidding? Ask Hoiberg if he wouldn't want one. KU proved what can happen when you have a true center at 7 ft tall who is coordinated, can run fast and shoot. Their height, speed and shooting abilities are intimidating even under Hilton magic's spell and it affected our shooting in my views. As a team KU are taller, just as fast as us and have great shooters. We are capable of beating them on any night though because when we get hot, we are capable to overcome those flaws this game showed we have. Its not just Kanes injury, you got to give KU some credit. KU has a true center who Hoiberg said was the best player in College BB, we don't but he will try to get one eventually. He will need to be like KUs and be able to run and gun like Fred likes to do. Their freshmen are only going to get better so we better get better. Also, with a plethora of McDonalds All Americans and a way deeper bench, KU has an advantage in that Department and that shows toward the end of the game when our 7 men run out of gas with their match of our running game. I just hope we can salvage one win against them, I absolutely have no love for KU's program, they are arrogant beyond belief. I have faith that Hoiberg will eventually prevail like he did over KU as a player. Unlike KU fans, I will give them their dues and not make excuses. However, I hope we can upset them in Lawrence or in the playoffs, we are capable as our winning streak showed. Hats off to Hoiberg for making such great improvements in our teams every year. WE eventually will end KUs dominance of this conference, its just a matter of time.
I never said the Withey call had a MUCH bigger impact on the game. I said it was a 3 point impact versus the 2 point impact of the end of regulation call. If you interpret that as meaning "much" larger, that's on you, not me. And I never called either call a travesty; just pointed out that there were in fact calls that people label as "bad calls" that went agaisnt BOTH teams, not just the poor, picked on ISu team fighting to win an 8 on 5 game... You want me to just knuckle under and agree with your view of things and that I am biased for not doing so. How are you any different? I fully agree that the call at the end of the game was a bad call and affected the outcome of the game. I think a LOT of calls/no calls throughout games are bad calls that affect the outcome of the game. That's why it's silly to hard over ONE that hurt when there were others that went your way.
I forgot that the Iowa fan handbook says fouls should be exactly even between teams for the game to have been officiated properly.
BB fouls are like holding in football, you could really call one every time down the court if you wanted to. Plus I'm the one who ISN'T blaming the refs.......
If you take a poll of Big 12 fans asking does Kansas get favorable calls I would guarantee it is at least over 50% saying they do.
My guess would be 70%
. we did get the shaft and the media felt the same dude. This year we shot ourselves in the foot, see you at the phog.
I agree with you. We did get the shaft and the media DID feel the same way. That said, I don't think there is ANY conspiracy or convoluted "we gotta have KU win this basketball game so they can win their 10th conference championship in a row"... or whatever from the refs or conference.
That said... I'd like to ask any KU fan who cares to answer this question... Do you feel that Texas gets "the benefit of the doubt" from the refs in football? I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or a planned thing, but do they seem to get the calls against teams like KU in football?
This is one example I could find where you guys got totally hosed... against Texas... you should have SEEN your message boards after this game. You guys got SCREWED on a completely phantom offensive pass interference penalty. The national media was ON YOUR SIDE. Everybody saw it. You got the first down and could have basically run out the clock. But NO... offensive pass interference. Texas gets the ball back and wins. You guys melted down impressively...
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Speculation about the opinions of others is not much of an argument.
What do you suppose is the motivation of the refs for allegedly favoring KU? Is it just in the Big 12 or does the favoritism extend to the NCAA tournament?
PullnPray, Thanks for coming over here and posting....I really respect your opinion and enjoy the Big12 camaraderie and classy self analysis............Naw, really, your posts suck. Kansas sucks.
The motivation of the referees is the fact they are simply human. They make mistakes. They know that if they make a mistake against KU it will be A HELL of a lot more flack, less Bill Self golf-buddy time, more KU alumn's writing nasty-grams, etc....than to err on the side of penalizing an Iowa State or a Okie State in basketball. Now, the last game was pretty straight up and the ref's they flew in were pretty good. Your historical Big 8 referee who lived in Overland Park and golfed with Roy Williams on the weekends learned and was conditioned to not make a bad call against KU....certainly not at crunch time. We all saw last year's game. Karma, although sometimes slow like a grandma from Salina driving her buick, is going to be a big Beaatch against you, your paid atheletes, and your entire Sebelius state.
The motivation of the referees is the fact they are simply human. They make mistakes. They know that if they make a mistake against KU it will be A HELL of a lot more flack, less Bill Self golf-buddy time, more KU alumn's writing nasty-grams, etc....than to err on the side of penalizing an Iowa State or a Okie State in basketball. Now, the last game was pretty straight up and the ref's they flew in were pretty good. Your historical Big 8 referee who lived in Overland Park and golfed with Roy Williams on the weekends learned and was conditioned to not make a bad call against KU....certainly not at crunch time. We all saw last year's game. Karma, although sometimes slow like a grandma from Salina driving her buick, is going to be a big Beaatch against you, your paid atheletes, and your entire Sebelius state.
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I think that was a ********* call, but I was disappointed with how Mangino handled it. The refs didn't intentionally screw KU. Do officials in general unconsciously favor big name teams and players? Perhaps a little, but the "star power" effect is certainly not specific to the KU basketball team.
I have a couple of K-state friends who both insist that the Big 12 refs intentionally favor KU in basketball. One of them is even convinced that Big 12 refs are being paid off by KU boosters. I made the pictures below to have some fun with them after last years controversial finish:
REALITY
REALITY FILTERED THROUGH A PURPLE LENS
REALITY FILTERED THROUGH A PURPLE LENS AND INTEGRATED INTO A COMPLEX WEB OF PARANOID DELUSIONS
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Perception and reality can be two totally separate things. For instance last year:
ISU was +42 in fouls called at home in conference play (9 games). Not one single game did the opposing team have less fouls than the home team
Kansas was +7 in fouls called at home in conference play (9 games). In 4 of the 5 games the opposing team has less fouls than the home team.
These same two teams, playing the same opponents, but on the road:
ISU was -25 in fouls called on the road in conference play (9 games).
Kansas was -3 in fouls called on the road in conference play (9 games).
The data is what it is. Like CyFan says, number of fouls called doesn't = a good/bad officiated game. Posting cause I found it interesting.
I totally agree with you. It's not specific to KU basketball. It's NCAA sports in general.
That is why i find it funny that you guys (not you specifically... talking KU baskteball fans in general) go to such lengths to justify what happened last year. Your ENTIRE fanbase was behind Mangino at the time and pretty much had the same reaction he did.
Now we are whiners as an ISU fanbase for feeling the same way you guys did and had the same reaction.
I agree completely that there is no conspiracy. There is no money changing hands to help KU win. That is just stupid.
BUT - in the same vein, there IS bias by officials, in any sport, built into the name on the front of the jersey. It's human nature. Whether intentional or not. What keeps me bugged is the fact that you guys (in general) try to justify that end of game call last year in the SAME way Texas fans tried to justify the PI call you got screwed on in the football game. You guys were arguing the same points we are now.
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