Jon Miller's BTN show gets canned

[Frak]

A freaking joke that pays each member school in excess of $20 million annually. Hate all you want, but the vast majority of ISU fans would KILL to be in the Big 10 at this point because not only would us fans get to see virtually all of our sports on television, but the AD would be able to afford all of those projects that has been put off for years due to lack of funding (mainly, bowling in the south end zone). Not to mention that, even with a reworked Big 12 television contract, perhaps only Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M will even come CLOSE to pulling in that kind of chunk of change.

Hey, I never said that it wasn't profitable. I said that its programming is a joke. And it is. It's laughable that a channel like that is capable of destroying college sports as we know it, but it's true. Do I wish that ISU had that kind of funding? Sure. But I would also feel like my school was stealing...forcing the average person to subsidize my sports program with their cable bill. A majority of people that pay for that network don't care at all for the Big 11 or its teams.

 

[capitalcityguy]

I work hard to make money and I i spend a lot of that money supporting ISU trying to help the program get better. Guys like Jon continue to beat down the team that I financially support. He openly roots for my efforts, and many other cyclonne fan's efforts to fail. if you don't think having talk radio continually beat down a program does not have a negative effect, you are crazy. Jon was openly hoping ISU would drop to conference USA. He failed to report or discuss the Big East option. Even though he knew about itWhen somone openly roots for my efforts to fail, i do not feel one bit sorry for their failures. Especially when they are as arrogant and conceited as Jon.
Besides, Jon will do just fine.

While you're at it, let's talk about how he encouraged the terrorists to take down the twin towers.

 

[cyclone1975]

I would love to have Jon back on the morning show. Even though he is a hawk fan, he has been better than anyone else that has tried out the past couple weeks.

 

[gondozors]

Jon's morning show was horrible and I hope to never hear him again. KXNO SUX!

 

[Al_4_State]

I work hard to make money and I spend a lot of that money supporting ISU trying to help the program and school get better. Guys like Jon continue to beat down the team that I financially support. He openly roots for my efforts, and many other cyclone fan's efforts to fail. If you don't think having talk radio continually beat down a program does not have a negative effect, you are crazy. If you think Jon and Matt continually telling fans that a school will not succeed or that their AD is a snake oil salesman, or the program will never get better does not negatively affect a school you are blind. Jon was openly hoping ISU would drop to conference USA/MWC. He failed to report or discuss the Big East option. Even though he knew about it. Do you understand the ramifications falling to a lesser conference would have on all of ISU. Not just sports but the research and academic side? The enrollment? Do you understand how many lives that would affect? When someone openly roots for the University I love, where I met my wife, my best friends and my first daughter was born, to fail without any regards to what they are doing or how it affects peoples lives...I do not feel one bit sorry for their failures. Especially when they are as arrogant and conceited as Jon.

Besides, Jon will do just fine.

This really irritated me. The way that everyone in the local media dismissed this even after the Big East commish said that if Big 12 armageddon had occurred, that they would have offered the Forgotten Four. The Big East was ready to have us if we were available. We were not going to the CUSA/MWC.

 

[tazclone]

While you're at it, let's talk about how he encouraged the terrorists to take down the twin towers.

Let's be honest, he didn't do that but if you think the media constantly reporting that a team belongs in a lesser conference does not have an affect, you re crazy. It was 2-3 weeks of negative advertisements that companies would pay tens of thousands of dollars to get. That has a negative affect on fringe fans, bandwagon fans, the exact fans that ISU needs to grow the program.

 

[GeneralHouston]

Let's be honest, he didn't do that but if you think the media constantly reporting that a team belongs in a lesser conference does not have an affect, you re crazy. It was 2-3 weeks of negative advertisements that companies would pay tens of thousands of dollars to get. That has a negative affect on fringe fans, bandwagon fans, the exact fans that ISU needs to grow the program.

You have to excuse the fringe fan on this topic. After being told by the media that complaining about the media's impact on branding is nonsense, they like to come on CF and tell fanatics that it is nonsense. Funny, isn't it.

Anyone read Fry's book? Old Raisin Face understood this.

 

[cysocool]

Ok, i really feel bad about critisizing Jon, so i'll say something nice. Jon, Your a nicer, more arrogant version of matt perrault that knows more about football. :smile:

 

[MNCyGuy]

This really irritated me. The way that everyone in the local media dismissed this even after the Big East commish said that if Big 12 armageddon had occurred, that they would have offered the Forgotten Four. The Big East was ready to have us if we were available. We were not going to the CUSA/MWC.

Although football wise, would that have even been the better move? That's a tangent, sorry.

 

[tazclone]

This thread is a disgrace but perfectly exemplifies what is wrong with college athletics. The "fans" who blindly position their worth through the destructive behavior of belittling opponents. Sad and pitiful. Typically those with the strongest criticisms are those who have accomplished the least in REAL life.

See my response in post #60. The sports talk morons that constantly beat down ISU have a negative effect on ISU, potential fans, and to some extent future success that depends on those potential fans . KXNO is like a five hour commercial of "why not to be a fan of ISU." Jon got this jollies off the idea that ISU may no longer be in a major conference.
Do you have any idea what kind of effect going to Conference USA/MWC would have on Iowa State University? Not just the athletic program but the research money, the enrollment, the negative effects on academics? As wrong as it is, sports success has a direct effect on student enrollment and their long term ties to the university. It gives a bond and reason for future donations from alumni. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is fact. Just ask people that work in donations if it is easier to get alumni to donate when the athletic program has success vs failure. There is a great sense of pride associated with success and that pride carries on to other parts of ISU. ISU athletics are being pushed to become financially independent. right now they take millions from the general fund. You don't think that ISU could use $2.5-3 million somewhere else? Ask the professors that got wage freezes or had to make departmental cuts. Why would Universities fund athletic programs that lose money? Because they understand the marketing value that ISU playing football on national TV has for the university.

I am sorry if I do not like people that constantly rip on my University. The place that provided a great education for my wife and I. The place I met my wife and had our first child. The place where I met my best friends. The place where my daughter will be attending to get her degree.

 

[GeneralHouston]

Although football wise, would that have even been the better move? That's a tangent, sorry.

I think it was a toss-up. Less competition, but less stability.
MBB would have played in one of the top 2 conferences either way.

 

[tazclone]

This really irritated me. The way that everyone in the local media dismissed this even after the Big East commish said that if Big 12 armageddon had occurred, that they would have offered the Forgotten Four. The Big East was ready to have us if we were available. We were not going to the CUSA/MWC.

They dismissed it when it was reported during the process and jonny and matty knew about it. I know that for a fact. Not one single mention. Then when the Big East Commish said as much...nothing.

I don't think people have any clue how going to a lesser conference would affect the University as a whole.

 

[cysocool]

KXNO is like a five hour commercial of "why not to be a fan of ISU."

This should be a thread... :yes:

 

[cysocool]

See my response in post #60. The sports talk morons that constantly beat down ISU have a negative effect on ISU, potential fans, and to some extent future success that depends on those potential fans . KXNO is like a five hour commercial of "why not to be a fan of ISU." Jon got this jollies off the idea that ISU may no longer be in a major conference.
Do you have any idea what kind of effect going to Conference USA/MWC would have on Iowa State University? Not just the athletic program but the research money, the enrollment, the negative effects on academics? As wrong as it is, sports success has a direct effect on student enrollment and their long term ties to the university. It gives a bond and reason for future donations from alumni. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is fact. Just ask people that work in donations if it is easier to get alumni to donate when the athletic program has success vs failure. There is a great sense of pride associated with success and that pride carries on to other parts of ISU.

I am sorry if I do not like people that constantly rip on my University. The place that provided a great education for my wife and I. The place I met my wife and had our first child. The place where I met my best friends. The place where my daughter will be attending to get her degree.

Well said...

 

[storminspank]

THIS is what almost destroyed college football (and probably still will)? A craptastic network that only puts out about 100 hours of mostly mediocre live events a year, a bunch of olympic sports that no one cares about, worthless talk and some replays? And you know what? They don't even need to care because they forced themselves onto basic cable! Who cares if no one is watching 99.9% of the time?? What a freaking joke that network is.

ISU fans ripping on the BTN while their team has a hard time getting on the air. FoxSportsNet is a joke. The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked. Also, the constant changes the BTN threw at it didn't allow them to get their feet set.

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

 

[MNCyGuy]

See my response in post #60. The sports talk morons that constantly beat down ISU have a negative effect on ISU, potential fans, and to some extent future success that depends on those potential fans . KXNO is like a five hour commercial of "why not to be a fan of ISU." Jon got this jollies off the idea that ISU may no longer be in a major conference.
Do you have any idea what kind of effect going to Conference USA/MWC would have on Iowa State University? Not just the athletic program but the research money, the enrollment, the negative effects on academics? As wrong as it is, sports success has a direct effect on student enrollment and their long term ties to the university. It gives a bond and reason for future donations from alumni. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is fact. Just ask people that work in donations if it is easier to get alumni to donate when the athletic program has success vs failure. There is a great sense of pride associated with success and that pride carries on to other parts of ISU.

I am sorry if I do not like people that constantly rip on my University. The place that provided a great education for my wife and I. The place I met my wife and had our first child. The place where I met my best friends. The place where my daughter will be attending to get her degree.

Holy overreaction!

 

[GeneralHouston]

I don't think people have any clue how going to a lesser conference would affect the University as a whole.

It is clear the (S)state, including the dumb *** local media, does not understand that, plus the impact it would have locally as well. They would rather just regurgitate the viewpoint of uninformed national media. Talk about lack of business acumen.

 

[GeneralHouston]

The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I agree it is great for the schools (not great for consumer protection). I have read that the BTN did not turn a profit the first few years, but it may just depend on how you do the accounting.

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked.

This is like a Jon Miller back-handed compliment.
That said, I agree Jon needs his co-host to have a personality (because he does not have one).

 

[cysocool]

ISU fans ripping on the BTN while their team has a hard time getting on the air. FoxSportsNet is a joke. The production value of FSN is a joke. Other conferences laughed at the BTN, but it is very profitable, allows the schools to be televised nationwide, and supply money to the schools.

I feel for Jon because if he had a cohost that had any sort of personality, it would have worked. Also, the constant changes the BTN threw at it didn't allow them to get their feet set.

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

I would like to go on record that I didn't rip btn only jon miller. Your network has been so successful that it nearly destroyed the big 12 and almost cost ISU millions of dollars. Thank you for being so awesome and sharing your intellect on our board...

 

[Tornado man]

Bottomline is the BTN works and those that rip on it are either oblivious or jealous.

The BTN is fine - it was The Pulse that was horrible. My Penn State, Mich St. and Purdue friends all wondered why Miller was on.