I literally lol'd when I read that. That actually is pretty funny. Hey we lost to NW and Minny, then lost DJK and ARob, and then beat Mizzou. Isn't that rebounding...sorta? That's at least worth, like, $1.5 mil. Right?
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I literally lol'd when I read that. That actually is pretty funny. Hey we lost to NW and Minny, then lost DJK and ARob, and then beat Mizzou. Isn't that rebounding...sorta? That's at least worth, like, $1.5 mil. Right?
ihave to give you credit...you seem new to the rivals board but so far you have used the standard hok lines/excuses of "Injured players, January Bowls, and we came out flat/ didn't show up to play." Not bad. I'll give you a couple of days to see if you use "it happens everywhere, and if we didn't have turnovers." All classic hok excuses/ lines to display their greatness.:twitcy:
You didn't beat Mizzou. Mizzou just played flat, didn't care and gave the game away with a late turnover....badda bing
I would say he did. Beating the #12 team in the country in a bowl game sure counts for something.
Tried and true.
I haven't learned the Clone excuses for being bad. Can you enlighten me?
btw, when is "didn't show up to play and didnt care" an excuse? I don't think it is one at all. You can tell when a team gets up for a game and when they don't. I believe ISU vs Utah and ISU vs Texas is proof of that very thing. It's not an excuse persay, just an observation on them not playing well and not playing with fire.
Would you like me to say that they sucked that day, or what? I really don't know. We just got beat? Is that better? I could go with those, I guess.
No but how about admitting why they got beat by Minny. iowa's LB corp was depleted at that time and Minny took advanatge. They threw short pass after short pass after short pass and ate up iowa's LB corp in coverage. Johnson was horrible in coverage and even though Morris is good he was still very green. iowa's offense did enough to win that game but the defense gave up 10 more points than their season average. It wasn't an effort issue. It was the fact that iowa started the season with little depth at LB and then got decimated by injuries. It was a matchup problem just like NW and Indiana
Utah,kicked our ***. They were flat out better. If we play a perfect game, they beat us. ISU beat Texas we were the better team. I know people don't want to belive it but Texas finished 5-7. Their OL was HORRIBLE, and their defense was less than spectacular. They got beat 5 times at home by teams like Baylor, KSU, ISU, and UCLA. I know it diminshes ISU's win but Texas was not good last year.
ISU fans LOL when they here the "we came out flat" excuse because we have heard it every time iowa loses to ISU. We also hear the "we get better as the season goes on "line as well." Thing is when ISU has beaten iowa, they have had pretty good teams barring the chizdick win. 90% of the time, iowa wins, ISU just has a bad team. The iowa game is a good litmus test for ISU. It seems if we win we have a pretty good team. If we lose we are generally not good.
As far as the "we get better as the season goes on" comment iowa fans like to throw out there... Well you play the weakest part of you schedule late in the season. You always play tOSU Purdue, Illinois,Indiana, Minny and NW late in the season. You lose to tOSU, and NW. You struggle against Indiana, Minny, and Purdue and usually beat Illinois
It is really all about match ups. iowa plays pretty solid games angainst PSU,Wisc and tOSU because iowa matches up well against power running teams with a run first philosophy.
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Clone fans don't need excuses for losses. We generally just say that the other team was flat out better. Last year, iowa, Utah, OU...flat out better. Mizzou and KSU? Those teams were flat out better. I don't think that I've EVER heard a hawk fan admit that the opponent was flat out better...usually it's just "pick an excuse" from their vast collection.
Oh really? Would you like me to dig up the threads from the Iowa/ISU game from two years ago? There were multiple people who said basically "Iowa wasn't that good, Arnaud just gift wrapped them the game"
That's not even getting into the crackpot conspiracies from the 2008 Iowa/ISU game.
I'll admit I'm guilty of making some excuses. Some of them are more rational and truthful than others, while some are just rationalizations to make me feel better (*disclaimer: just because I admit that doesn't mean I'll stop doing it. It's therapeutic for me after a loss
USC in the Orange Bowl? Definitely better. That team could have given Miami a VERY good run for its money (Ohio State did get lucky in that game. Miami and USC were the two best teams by the end of the year.).
Pretty much any loss to OSU or Michigan falls under "they were better", IMO. It's the losses against the Northwestern's and Indiana's that are the ones that give me fits.
The big loss to Indiana in 2007: relatively equal teams, slight edge to Indiana. We just had NO answer for Kellen Lewis and James Hardy.
Northwestern: I don't usually feel like they were the better team (looking at them in terms of the season's body of work), but they're a matchup problem. Kind of like Iowa-PSU. Are we always the better team when we beat them? No, and 2008 is a PRIME example of that. We just have their number, like Northwestern has ours.
The 2005 loss in Ames: I didn't feel ISU was truly better than Iowa at the time (Granted, I was also 15 years old, and an even bigger homer then than I am now), but looking at the season as a whole, I think they definitely were. Much like Lewis/Hardy in 2007, we didn't have an answer for Meyer/Blythe, and that may have been the best defense Iowa State has had in some time. Ellis Hobbs, DeAndre Jackson, Lamarcus Hicks, Nik Moser, and Steve Paris made for one HELLUVA secondary; Berryman provided great pressure off the edge, Curvey was VERY underrated outside of Ames (I mean that in terms of both Iowa fans as well as Big 12 fans). I don't remember the linebackers outside of Bowen (but he was a sophomore that year, correct?). Plus the offense was pretty solid with Blythe/Flynn (two of my favorite Cyclones) on the outside and Hicks in the backfield. Barkema was a solid option at TE.
While every team has its close calls, and you can say a team was a couple plays from being (insert your desired record here), that ISU team should have won at least 2 more games (I'd include the TCU game, but had ISU won two more games in the season, they wouldn't have played TCU, and who knows who they would have played or how they'd have fared.).
The Outback Bowl in '06 I think we had a legitimate complaint with the officiating. It didn't necessarily cost us the game (Tate's pick 6 or the TD from Leak to Dallas Baker just before halftime had a much bigger impact), but it was a HUGE handicap. Even Florida fans were admitting that, saying that we got hosed. The call that burns me to this day was the facemask call on Clinton Solomon. They showed the replay on that, and he never came close to grabbing grill........he did get pulled to the ground by his own facemask by the defender, though:shocked: The announcers couldn't believe what they were seeing.
I won't got through every loss since November of 2002 (when I first got really into watching the Hawks every Saturday), but those are a few of the ones that stick out.
I'll agree with most everything tm3308 said, except for Blythe being his all-time fav Clone. I played on his team in the Shrine Bowl. He was an ***. Bret Meyer, you ask? He is my fav Clone. That guy was just plain nice. I know many of you may have a different perspective than me, but that was my experience. I loved Bret Meyer even though he was a Clone. Anyone know what he is up to now?
Blythe isn't my #1 Cyclone, just one of my favorites. I don't know him personally, just liked to watch him play. People say Tim Dwight is an a**hole, too. Doesn't mean he's not my favorite Hawk of all time.
My top 5 Cyclones:
1. Ellis Hobbs (Kid could play ball, and he kept his mouth shut. Very exciting player.)
2. Austen Arnaud (Wasn't the best player in the world, but I really admired his attitude. Reminds me of Jarryd Cole in that regard.)
3. Lane Danielson (I got to watch him once when he was at D-NH when I was pretty young. He was money for the Clones)
4. Seneca Wallace (He killed us, but God was he fun to watch!)
5. Austin Flynn (I loved watching him at WR, reminded me of Ed Hinkel. Plus I liked how he bounced back after getting pounded at QB.)
There are a lot of other guys that I really liked watching, but those are my top 5.
it is funny how many fans don't consdier turnovers as part of the game. I love hearing the "we would ahve won if we didn't fumble/throw that interception, etc." Fact is turnovers are part of the game and a lot of the time the other team has an impact on those turnovers.
If Arnaud throws 3 INTs against iowa, it is because iowa is in his head or they are doing things to confuse him/the OC. It could be that they had great LBs that could cover a lot of area and drop back into zone in a hurry.
I know sometimes after a game I will say "ugh, if XYZ just wouldn't have turned the ball over it is a different game." When I say that I I am not saying the better team lost just commenting that if we were good enough to not turn the ball over it would be different. but we weren't