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Johnny Orr Court?

Jim Calhoun freaking took UCONN from being a P.O.S. program outmatched in it's own conference to a national power. Stuff like that is worthy of getting an honor like that. I actually think naming the court after Johnny Orr is very similar to naming the field after Dan McCarney.
 
Pitt_Clone said:
I don't want to turn this thread into a McCarney debate, but saying he brought it full circle is a bit much. The way he left it wasn't close to as bad as it was when he came to ISU. There was a much better foundation for a quicker recovery when he left.
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In Dan's first year ISU went 3-8 and 1-6 in the conference. In Dan's last year ISU went 4-8 and 1-7 in the conference. I would say that is taking the program full circle. In a historic sense? No. In a level of success sense? Yes.
 
I'm going way back, but didn't Johnny have his name on a bar back in the mid 90's?

It didn't last long, but I remember watching football one weekend at that place
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
In Dan's first year ISU went 3-8 and 1-6 in the conference. In Dan's last year ISU went 4-8 and 1-7 in the conference. I would say that is taking the program full circle. In a historic sense? No. In a level of success sense? Yes.
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Orr's first season: 9-18; 2-12
Orr's last season: 14-13; 4-10

not exactly full circle, but he didn't exactly leave on top of his game, either.

by the way, those records are more typical of Orr's tenure and are completely glossed over. If ISU weren't a complete dumpster fire prior to his arrival, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

The fact that ISU fans want to name the court after Orr, which is probably the height of honor a school can give a coach, is the perfect example of how much this fan base has embraced mediocrity.

I don't hate Orr, on the contrary, he did great things for ISU. But naming the floor should be saved for achievements much greater than "he made us respectable". Coach K, Coach Summitt, and Coach Sutton all did great things nationally. Orr's great national things were done at another school and his great accomplishment was putting out a dumpster fire in Ames.
 
I wish we could get those Pioneer logos off the court, they look terrible. I wonder how much they pay for that advertising.
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
In Dan's first year ISU went 3-8 and 1-6 in the conference. In Dan's last year ISU went 4-8 and 1-7 in the conference. I would say that is taking the program full circle. In a historic sense? No. In a level of success sense? Yes.
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You can't look at just records. The foundation he built was significant and he did have some success which raised expectations. Anyone who says he took it full circle doesn't remember the state of the program in the early 90's.
 
Pitt_Clone said:
You can't look at just records. The foundation he built was significant and he did have some success which raised expectations. Anyone who says he took it full circle doesn't remember the state of the program in the early 90's.
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Chizik came much closer to taking us full circle than McCarney ever did. Plus, considering how quickly Rhoads made it rebound...
 
Al_4_State said:
Comparing Johnny Orr to Dan McCarney is ridiculous.

Johnny Orr made ISU legit enough to go out with success, and allow the guys after him to build on it.

Dan left scorched earth in his wake.
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Please.

Orr left on a 4-10 Big 8 record. No postseason. He was 27-43 in conference his final five years.

Floyd came in and went 6-8 with Orr's guys.

It wasn't until the second year that Floyd won the Big 8 tourney Hoiberg-style, with a team full of transfers.

Orr was an OK coach (talking ISU tenure only) who benefits from a being very colorful character and played a more exciting style. But his actual results are over-weighted greatly by nostalgia.
 
FDWxMan said:
Please.

Orr left on a 4-10 Big 8 record. No postseason. He was 27-43 in conference his final five years.

Floyd came in and went 6-8 with Orr's guys.

It wasn't until the second year that Floyd won the Big 8 tourney Hoiberg-style, with a team full of transfers.

Orr was an OK coach (talking ISU tenure only) who benefits from a being very colorful character and played a more exciting style. But his actual results are over-weighted greatly by nostalgia.
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To be fair to Johnny, if he would have gotten the chance to coach that last year he would have had essentially his entire squad returning one year older and more experienced, including Hoiberg, Meyer and Michalik. He didn't get the chance to do that. He didn't get the chance to go out on his own terms.
 
VeloClone said:
To be fair to Johnny, if he would have gotten the chance to coach that last year he would have had essentially his entire squad returning one year older and more experienced, including Hoiberg, Meyer and Michalik. He didn't get the chance to do that. He didn't get the chance to go out on his own terms.
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And I don't mean to hate Orr, but if you actually step back and look, I just don't think the accomplishments stack up to:
A bar
And a statue
And a banner
AND the floor. Hell. At that point his name will be on enough in the building that you might was well name the whole Coliseum after him.

And it would seem Pollard agrees.
 
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VeloClone said:
To be fair to Johnny, if he would have gotten the chance to coach that last year he would have had essentially his entire squad returning one year older and more experienced, including Hoiberg, Meyer and Michalik. He didn't get the chance to do that. He didn't get the chance to go out on his own terms.
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Gene Smith and Johnny did that for the good of the program in order to get the next coach (Floyd) some instant success instead of coming in the next year and starting from scratch.
 
The_Architect said:
Gene Smith and Johnny did that for the good of the program in order to get the next coach (Floyd) some instant success instead of coming in the next year and starting from scratch.
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Orr was basically tired of Smith, so he stepped down. He has said this many times.
 
FDWxMan said:
Please.

Orr left on a 4-10 Big 8 record. No postseason. He was 27-43 in conference his final five years.

Floyd came in and went 6-8 with Orr's guys.

It wasn't until the second year that Floyd won the Big 8 tourney Hoiberg-style, with a team full of transfers.

Orr was an OK coach (talking ISU tenure only) who benefits from a being very colorful character and played a more exciting style. But his actual results are over-weighted greatly by nostalgia.
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Boooooooooo
 
If Johnny would have came back for Fred's senior year I would have bet that they would have struggled to make the tournament. The team was 0-2 in the conference the year before until Meyer got hit by a train. They were stuggling because Jacy Holloway and Jason Kimbrough were not any good. Tim Floyd had to come in teach those guys to play a little defense. If I didnt know any better I would think that Johnny Orr won 5 or six conference titles here.
 
jdoggivjc said:
Orr's first season: 9-18; 2-12
Orr's last season: 14-13; 4-10

not exactly full circle, but he didn't exactly leave on top of his game, either.

by the way, those records are more typical of Orr's tenure and are completely glossed over. If ISU weren't a complete dumpster fire prior to his arrival, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

The fact that ISU fans want to name the court after Orr, which is probably the height of honor a school can give a coach, is the perfect example of how much this fan base has embraced mediocrity.

I don't hate Orr, on the contrary, he did great things for ISU. But naming the floor should be saved for achievements much greater than "he made us respectable". Coach K, Coach Summitt, and Coach Sutton all did great things nationally. Orr's great national things were done at another school and his great accomplishment was putting out a dumpster fire in Ames.
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FDWxMan said:
Please.

Orr left on a 4-10 Big 8 record. No postseason. He was 27-43 in conference his final five years.

Floyd came in and went 6-8 with Orr's guys.

It wasn't until the second year that Floyd won the Big 8 tourney Hoiberg-style, with a team full of transfers.

Orr was an OK coach (talking ISU tenure only) who benefits from a being very colorful character and played a more exciting style. But his actual results are over-weighted greatly by nostalgia.
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Do you guys remember why we under achieved his final year??? Loren Meyer got into a wreck, drunk with a train and the season went into a tailspin after that. So pointing out how bad his final season was is worthless.

Plus the conference didn't have extremely terrible programs like Texas Tech, TCU, or even the Nebraska and CU teams that McDermott got to play.

If you look at the coaches and teams in those years it's absolutely amazing.

OU- Billy Tubs
OSU- Eddie Sutton
KU- Larry Brown- Roy Williams
MU- Norm Stuart
KSU- Lon Kruger- Dana Altman
NU- Danny Nee
CU- Ok... They sucked...
 
bellzisu said:
Do you guys remember why we under achieved his final year??? Loren Meyer got into a wreck, drunk with a train and the season went into a tailspin after that. So pointing out how bad his final season was is worthless.
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0-2 in Big 8 prior to the wreck.

0-2 Big 8 AT HOME prior to the wreck. Hilton Magic.

4-10 with Meyer? Maybe not, but let's not act like they were on a roll either. (Two losses were to 4th and 5th place finishers Neb and OU).
 
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