John & Kate Plus 8

I've had zero desire to watch this one and have avoided it mostly because of the hype and then...surprise...they end up on American Chopper. Based on just the hour and a half I had to endure them it does seem that Kate has an extremely annoying tendency to nag.
 
I've always refused to watch the show on principle (nothing to do with the man card - I refuse to watch someone exploit their family the way they have). However, considering the way my wife likes to discuss the show, it being on in the background while I'm playing on the computer, and how it's plastered all over the media right now, I have developed several opinions.

First, John is absolutely in the wrong - he messed around outside of his marriage and put his marriage and family in jeopardy. That being said, I tend to feel a little for the guy. First (from conversations with my wife), outside of the one episode special that the show was supposed to be years ago, John didn't want to do the show. He didn't want the cameras on him invading his and his family's personal life. It was Kate that wanted it. John was in the middle of a successful career when they agreed to do the show. As Kate began writing books and going out on book tours, someone had to stay home to watch the kids - which means John had to give up his career to be a stay-at-home dad so Kate could tour the country with the same male bodyguard out on the road to do numerous book-signing tours. Now, there's nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home dad. I figure I'd probably enjoy the role if my wife were pulling in 6 figures and someone needed to stay at home to take care of the homestead, but being a stay-at-home dad is not for everyone (just like it's not for all women), and it should NEVER be confused with being a bad parent.

As far as Kate goes, I have no problem with her wanting to earn money, I have no problems with her writing books, and honestly, I don't have much of a problem with the book tours, either. What I have a problem with is she's done this at the expense of her family. She knew John had many grave concerns about doing this show on a regular basis, but yet she insisted anyway. She had to have known making a public spectacle of her family would ultimately lead to ruin, yet she decided to chance it for the fame and fortune anyway. And in the process she has been very discouraging towards her husband and at times has not been there for her children. In fact, you would think that having to protect her children from the Paparazzi would be a sign that she's doing something wrong with her life, but her only protection she offers to her children is "don't mention the "P" word and don't talk to them." Not to mention who knows what's going on between Kate and her bodyguard while they're out on the road doing her book tours.

Like I said earlier, John has plenty of faults when it comes to the destruction of this family. But Kate put the family in jeopardy long before John "cheated" on her by bringing the cameras into the home and with the constant way she treated John like a "buffoon" on-camera. Kate has exploited her own children for her own personal gain, and as a new father I couldn't imagine doing something as stupid as that, and it makes me sick that someone would do such a thing.
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""One commentator said, well Kate's been eviscerating John on the series since it started, and that's part of the reason she isn't looked on as favorably.""

I am certain this is it. Kate has driven me nuts since I started watching this (it was a family time show for my wife, daughter and I...I will revoke the man card from any man that doesn't make concessions to his family, and give him an ******* card ;)

That said, I can't stand to watch it anymore. It's a soap opera now, and I dont want to watch a family's life and marriage crumble before my eyes. I just find that stuff very sad, whether its a neighbor or anyone.
 
Apparently the only reason they're still married is because of the money from the show. I saw some interview with an ex of Kates and he said she basically a money hungry ***** and he dumped her when he found out she offered nothing more. He also said it didnt surprise him one bit that she would put so many eggs to be fertilized once she found someone with money.

Did they do in-vitro with all of those eggs, or did they do stimulant shots and then either naturally inseminate/use artificial insemination? You can really only control the number of embryos created/transferred with in-vitro - if you're taking stimulant shots, it's all kind of a crap shoot on how many eggs you will produce. I had thought, for some reason, that they were doing the stimulant shots.

Regardless of how many eggs were fertilized/conceived, there are always options as to how to deal with this. If it was IVF, they didn't need to (and shouldn't have) transferred that many eggs, especially when she obviously already had been able to bear children. If they took the shots, there is still selective reduction.

I've never seen a single episode of this show, but I've read stuff where she was saying that society owes her money and things because it is society encouraging fertility treatments. I can tell you personally that this is a horrible attitude, and not one that puts people who endure fertilty problems in a good light (as it's not how the vast majority feel). Most people who undergo these treatments are responsible, and don't feel this horrid sense of entitlement that she apparently is reported to feel.
 
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The fact is that the media shouldn't side with anyone. Jon most likely cheated on her, and they should go after him for that. Kate is a freaking lunatic and they should go after her for that. Regardless letting cameras into their home was the first mistake they made. (Well, unless you consider Jon getting with Kate in the first place as a mistake.)
 
I dont like how high Kates belly button is. Thats just poor plastic surgery. =)
 
I dont like how high Kates belly button is. Thats just poor plastic surgery. =)

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That said, I can't stand to watch it anymore. It's a soap opera now, and I dont want to watch a family's life and marriage crumble before my eyes. I just find that stuff very sad, whether its a neighbor or anyone.

The real question is why waste time on it to begin with. Man card aside, it's arguably garbage TV even when they started off in fairy tale mode.
 
I've always refused to watch the show on principle (nothing to do with the man card - I refuse to watch someone exploit their family the way they have). However, considering the way my wife likes to discuss the show, it being on in the background while I'm playing on the computer, and how it's plastered all over the media right now, I have developed several opinions.

First, John is absolutely in the wrong - he messed around outside of his marriage and put his marriage and family in jeopardy. That being said, I tend to feel a little for the guy. First (from conversations with my wife), outside of the one episode special that the show was supposed to be years ago, John didn't want to do the show. He didn't want the cameras on him invading his and his family's personal life. It was Kate that wanted it. John was in the middle of a successful career when they agreed to do the show. As Kate began writing books and going out on book tours, someone had to stay home to watch the kids - which means John had to give up his career to be a stay-at-home dad so Kate could tour the country with the same male bodyguard out on the road to do numerous book-signing tours. Now, there's nothing wrong with being a stay-at-home dad. I figure I'd probably enjoy the role if my wife were pulling in 6 figures and someone needed to stay at home to take care of the homestead, but being a stay-at-home dad is not for everyone (just like it's not for all women), and it should NEVER be confused with being a bad parent.

As far as Kate goes, I have no problem with her wanting to earn money, I have no problems with her writing books, and honestly, I don't have much of a problem with the book tours, either. What I have a problem with is she's done this at the expense of her family. She knew John had many grave concerns about doing this show on a regular basis, but yet she insisted anyway. She had to have known making a public spectacle of her family would ultimately lead to ruin, yet she decided to chance it for the fame and fortune anyway. And in the process she has been very discouraging towards her husband and at times has not been there for her children. In fact, you would think that having to protect her children from the Paparazzi would be a sign that she's doing something wrong with her life, but her only protection she offers to her children is "don't mention the "P" word and don't talk to them." Not to mention who knows what's going on between Kate and her bodyguard while they're out on the road doing her book tours.

Like I said earlier, John has plenty of faults when it comes to the destruction of this family. But Kate put the family in jeopardy long before John "cheated" on her by bringing the cameras into the home and with the constant way she treated John like a "buffoon" on-camera. Kate has exploited her own children for her own personal gain, and as a new father I couldn't imagine doing something as stupid as that, and it makes me sick that someone would do such a thing.



........how long have you been president of the local "John and Kate Plus 8" fan club? Refused to watch the show my arse....:yes:
 
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........how long have you been president of the local "John and Kate Plus 8" fan club? Refused to watch the show my arse....:yes:

I don't watch the show - but a lot can be learned through osmosis when you're slaying monsters on your laptop... :cute:
 
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It's the summer doldrums and haven't seen anybody post on this topic.

I enjoyed watching this reality series in it's early years and I think a lot of young families can relate to what this young couple go through with young kids.

Now it sounds like each one has been messing around on the other and the marriage is on the rocks.

I was watching a clip from the Today show this morning and they were discussing how the media seems to favor John, but not Kate and some don't think it's "fair". One commentator said, well Kate's been eviscerating John on the series since it started, and that's part of the reason she isn't looked on as favorably.

I got agree with the commenator. That gal has shot a lot of zings at him over the years. He seems like a fairly laid back guy while she comes across as very high maintenance. It would be darn tough for me to put up with personally.

I hope they can work things out for the kids sake. The only way I see that happening is if they make their lives private again, but I think Kate likes the attention so not sure if it will happen.

Thoughts? This should be interesting.:wink:

Hey sweetie, turn the channel and watch Ice Road Truckers on the History Channel.
 
Did you just call him sweetie? You guys should get your own show on TLC.
 

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