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Two men "sleeping" together is gross. Maybe Hardaway has a weak stomach and the thought makes him queezy. So just like I don't like food that makes me feel sick he doesn't like thinking about two men "sleeping" together.

It is just a matter of his personal preference. I would not want to shower with some guy who might find me attractive. It doesn't mean I don't like him, I just don't like the fact he might be "looking" at me.

Why is it wrong for someone to not accept homosexuality as an appropriate way of living?
 
You are missing the point again. I am sorry to say that...no one is saying he has to become gay or embrace the gay lifestyle its all about tolerance...you can "tolerate" something...did you even hear his comments? He said stuff along the line of I hate gay people, I would never want to play with one on my team, I would ask for him to get traded.

If he was a good teammate and player I wouldn't care if he was gay. If Lebron James came out and said he was gay I wouldn't care, I would still want him on my team cuz he is an amazing player.

It's not Tim Hardaway's position to say it is an appropriate "way of life" or not, it's John Amaechi's choice. All Hardaway has to do is not come out and say being gay is wrong and I hate gays, but that's exactly what he did and the NBA did the right thing.

It's not about preference, it's about tolerance...

If Tim Hardaway hates John Amaechi because he doesn't like John Amaechi that's fine, but to hate John Amaechi because he is GAY is wrong.

Why are you against gay people who are just looking to not have hatred against them like this???? PUT YOURSELF IN JOHN AMAECHI'S SHOES...or better yet, imagine a world where homosexuality and heterosexuality were reversed. I am guessing you are heterosexual, so: what if a lot of people hated you just for the fact you were straight? Wouldn't you feel like something was wrong and wouldn't you wish that people didn't hate you for being heterosexual?
 
isucyclone4 said:
That's the point tho, he doesn't hate John Amaechi cuz he hates John Amaechi...he hates John Amaechi SOLELY for the reason he is GAY!!!!!!!!

That's what is wrong. People are gonna hate people, that's fact, I hate my boss...but I don't hate my boss because she is black, I just hate her because of her personality.
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And you hate your boss soley because of her personality...what's the difference? You hate your boss but attack someone else for hating...would it be possible to be more hypocritical???

If I may ask, what would be a valid reason for hating John Amaechi? On what do you base your decisions for what reasons are OK to hate someone for and what reasons aren't?
 
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If the person that hated me for being heterosexual was gay, which they obviously would be, I would be glad.

We don't have to agree on this. I just think that we need to be accepting and tolerant of Tim Hardaway's feelings. People are being awfully hard on him and they might be hurting his feelings. I think we need to accept and tolerate and learn to appreciate the fact that he has feelings to.
 
If hate someone because they pick on you, if you hate someone who is mean to you, if you hate someone because they are an a-hole...that is one thing.

to hate someone you don't even know personally just because of the color of their skin or sexual orientation??? that is just bigotry and its wrong....

why do you think its okay to hate someone because of the color or their skin or sexual preference?

Hating my boss because of her personality and hating her because of her skin color are two HUGELY different things.....
 
bluehooper said:
If the person that hated me for being heterosexual was gay, which they obviously would be, I would be glad.

We don't have to agree on this. I just think that we need to be accepting and tolerant of Tim Hardaway's feelings. People are being awfully hard on him and they might be hurting his feelings. I think we need to accept and tolerate and learn to appreciate the fact that he has feelings to.
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I know we don't have to agree, i accept your thought and feelings, but I just believe we cannot tolerate Tim Hardaway's comment. Because he hates gays. and tolerating that is, well...tolerating hatred.

not comparing tim hardaway to hitler, but what if people "tolerated" his hatred towards jews? i mean, I know the situations are TOTALLY different, but just think about it. I still think Tim is a good man and was a good NBA player back in his day, I just think his hatred is a huge flaw in him. And I know all of us are flawed in one way or another, I definitely am a flawed person, lol :). But I don't think we should tolerate hatred. just my opinion.
 
what i find funny is that if Tim Hardaway said that he hated fat people, or dumb people, or people with red hair, this thread would not exist.

those people are discriminated against everyday.
 
Yeah you are right

Tim should of thought about what he was going to say a little more, but Tim is not really known for being the brightest tool in the shed.

I really don't have a big problem if that is the way Tim feels, but I also feel that if it is how he feels there is no need to make the kinds of comments he did to the media.
 
I agree doofus king, i don't really find it "funny" but I find it ironic, I just wish hate didn't exist at all, but to just say well heck, hate exists no matter so we should just tolerate hatred is not right. (not saying that what you were saying with that comment.) But it sucks that some people allow hatred of all kinds to happen in this world, I know it sounds pretty "hippie" of me, and believe me, that I am definitely not. But no one should hate someone for those reasons...
 
isucyclone4 said:
If hate someone because they pick on you, if you hate someone who is mean to you, if you hate someone because they are an a-hole...that is one thing.

to hate someone you don't even know personally just because of the color of their skin or sexual orientation??? that is just bigotry and its wrong....
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You'll probably be happy to know that you are about to make my head explode...

isucyclone4 said:
why do you think its okay to hate someone because of the color or their skin or sexual preference?
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I don't think it's ok to hate anybody. That doesn't mean I have to condone their lifestyle or activities if I think those activities are wrong and harmful to them as well as to soceity. And that doesn't mean that I can't speak out vigorously and passionately against those activities. I fully admit that I harbor hateful thoughts toward people, but that's my problem, and it's wrong.

isucyclone4 said:
Hating my boss because of her personality and hating her because of her skin color are two HUGELY different things.....
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No, they are not two hugely different things. The sooner you figure that out the better.

And you didn't answer my question...how do you decide what things are OK to hate people for, and what things aren't??? What's your standard?
 
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jbhtexas said:
No, they are not two hugely different things. The sooner you figure that out the better.
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If I hate my boss because of her personality and because she is a ***** and yells way too much for no reason that is one thing.

If I hate my boss because of her skin color and nothing else than I am a bigot/racist/ w/e you wanna call it. they are not the same things.

I believe it should be okay to hate people who are mean to you and who are jerks.

I don't believe it should be okay to hate someone just because of their skin color.

sorry. but you are wrong on this one, hating someone's personality and hating someone for their skin color are NOT the same things.
 
isucyclone4 said:
I know we don't have to agree, i accept your thought and feelings, but I just believe we cannot tolerate Tim Hardaway's comment. Because he hates gays. and tolerating that is, well...tolerating hatred.

not comparing tim hardaway to hitler, but what if people "tolerated" his hatred towards jews? i mean, I know the situations are TOTALLY different, but just think about it. I still think Tim is a good man and was a good NBA player back in his day, I just think his hatred is a huge flaw in him. And I know all of us are flawed in one way or another, I definitely am a flawed person, lol :). But I don't think we should tolerate hatred. just my opinion.
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We have to tolerate Tim's comments, we're in the US of A. If we have to tolerate gay rights activists making their speeches in our public areas, schools and tv airwaves - then I think you have to "tolerate" Tim, that is the word of the day isn't it?
 
And you didn't answer my question...how do you decide what things are OK to hate people for, and what things aren't??? What's your standard?

sorry I must've missed it :). I guess if you want a standardized answer to this you are not gonna get one, it's all my personal feelings. To hate someone's personality because they are a jerk is okay to me (because I would want them to not be a jerk and be respectful) *do onto others as you would want done onto yourself* because I am a very respectful and kind person to those who do the same to me. To hate someone because they are black or because they are gay is not okay (because to ask or expect them to not be black or not be gay is ridiculous).

It's all my opinion, you don't have to agree with it, I am just putting it up here for people to see, you are perfectly allowed to have your feelings and disagree with me, just as I can disagree with you.

I just feel that hating someone because you expect them to be nice and they are not is not asking too much...but to hate someone who is black or gay, just because you don't like the fact they are black or gay is ridiculous because that is something they cannot just change...whereas someone i hate who is a jerk could change and be respectful so I would no longer hate them.
 
clones_jer said:
We have to tolerate Tim's comments, we're in the US of A. If we have to tolerate gay rights activists making their speeches in our public areas, schools and tv airwaves - then I think you have to "tolerate" Tim, that is the word of the day isn't it?
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I partly agree, we have to tolerate the man and tolerate the comments...but we shouldn't tolerate hatred for gays.
 
jbhtexas said:
Well, you've certainly got an interesting worldview going there; good luck with it...
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I really hope you are not trying to be condescending there (its hard to tell online), cuz like I said I am a nice and respectful person to those who are to me, I have nothing personally against you, we can certainly disagree on this, but if that comment is meant to be a slam on me, I suggest you stop now.

Because it's the internet and hard to tell how people "come off" with their comments, I will take it that you are not being condescending to me, because I respect your thoughts and feelings and wouldn't say anything condescending to you because you have a view that I happen to disagree with.

And my worldview of treating others as I want to be treated has worked very well for me up to this point and I've made some great life friends through it.
 
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cytech said:
Reading all these posts I am just waiting to start seeing the "Is being gay a choice or is it heriditary debate" pop up
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god i hope not, cuz I am not touching that one with a ten foot pole because I am not gay, I think only the gay or lesbian individual will really have an idea on that one cuz psychology hasn't been able to prove anything one way or other.
 
Yeah but the answer to that question answers what you guys are talking about.

I think Jbhtexas might be trying to say that it is ok to hate someone for something they choose but not something that they have no control over.

But, I really don't want to enter this debate so I am leaving now lol
 
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