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Main words were right at the begining of the article....FOR PROFIT!!! This is a PR move and I'm sure was initiated by someone from his group. However, this article doesn't seem to match the perception of many of the parents that have dealt with Kingdom Hoops.

Vote me in the group that says keep religion out of basketball.
 
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ISUCyclone06 said:
Main words were right at the begining of the article....FOR PROFIT!!! This is a PR move and I'm sure was initiated by someone from his group. However, this article doesn't seem to match the perception of many of the parents that have dealt with Kingdom Hoops.

Vote me in the group that says keep religion out of basketball.
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I'll preface this by saying that I am not a religious person and do not have extensive knowledge when it comes to basketball clubs, camps, leagues, whatever. That said I think there are a few things I don't understand about your comments.

  1. Aren't most basketball clubs "for profit"? I hardly think that Jake Sullivan is the exception here. If that is the case then your statement has no bearings.
  2. Being in the advertising/media business I regret your statement about this being a "PR move." Even if it is what is wrong with a company looking to get PR? The articles are not written by Kingdom Hoops, they are written by the news source and Kingdom Hoops has no control over the content of the story. Trust me, PR still has to be relevant to the readers before a media company with print it. Otherwise it's just free advertising and companies don't just let you advertise for free.
  3. I disagree with your statement about keeping religion out of basketball. If you don't like the process that he is taking then you and anyone else has the choice to not support it by not paying for your child to go there. Kingdom hoops is, as you said, for profit, which means that he can choose how he wants to run his business. I don't see the issue. It looks as if he is more about steering kids to make the right decisions in life and less about pressuring people to be of a certain religion. If my child wanted to go there, I would have not problem sending them there.
Sorry, I'm not a usual poster. I usually just read, but I really don't see the issue with Kingdom Hoops. I also am not near the issue, so who knows, I could be wrong.
 
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ISUCyclone06 said:
Main words were right at the begining of the article....FOR PROFIT!!! This is a PR move and I'm sure was initiated by someone from his group. However, this article doesn't seem to match the perception of many of the parents that have dealt with Kingdom Hoops.

Vote me in the group that says keep religion out of basketball.
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I actually have less of a problem with a "for profit" group like this than I do with those damn "non profit" AAU cesspools of corruption. In a profit situation, the organization does things in the open to meet their budget. With a non-profit, I think its perfect reasonable to assume that the organization will be sorely tempted to work behind the scenes to position themselves for an illicit payday.

Besides, if you "keep religion out of basketball" you would also have to support "keep atheism out of basketball"; since atheism is just a religion that believes that there are no real religions.
 
Hopefully he can help these kids out of bad situations and in the process advance their basketball skills. And if he wants to steer these kids to ISU in a completely non-booster way, I'm cool with that too
 
Wish I could make a living teaching young kids basketball and be a mentor for at risk youth...

Sounds fulfilling- Good luck Jake...
 
ISUCyclone06 said:
Main words were right at the begining of the article....FOR PROFIT!!! This is a PR move and I'm sure was initiated by someone from his group. However, this article doesn't seem to match the perception of many of the parents that have dealt with Kingdom Hoops.

Vote me in the group that says keep religion out of basketball.
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There's nothing wrong with trying to be profitable.
Using religion ? I don't mind athletes, politicansor public figures use their religions for greater good. I have more problems with these people using religions for their own purposes
 
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Wow, don't get hating on Jake and his faith. He isn't doing it as a high school coach, or college coach or even little league coach. He is doing at his private business which people can choose to pay to join. It isn't a bait & switch, unless your really not paying attention you know from the start what you are joining.

I say more power this former Cyclone. I am proud to have an alum who believes in investing into the lives of young people while earning a living. Great young man and yeah I agree, he doesn't look like a 1700 point Big 12 scorer.

BTW, I had forgotten how much his last two years were impacted by injuries, makes you wonder what his scoring total could have been.
 
The after-school program is the only part of it that I have seen in action but I can say that those kids absolutely are benefiting from the program. I would imagine their basketball skills are helped as well but a lot of those kids need somewhere to be and people to look up and keep them focused on success in the future.

As for the religious aspect (in the afterschool portion at least) it is very subtle and almost non-existent from what I have seen so if you're going to hate on it for that reason I would say don't waste your time. From my experiences.
 
Great article; sounds like a great program; he would have my total support from what I read. I'm glad to see it "for profit" as opposed to these "not for profit" organizations that just hike up their personal salaries and other expenses to avoid showing a profit on the bottom line.
 
ISUCyclone06 said:
Main words were right at the begining of the article....FOR PROFIT!!! This is a PR move and I'm sure was initiated by someone from his group. However, this article doesn't seem to match the perception of many of the parents that have dealt with Kingdom Hoops.

Vote me in the group that says keep religion out of basketball.
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These parent's PAY for their kids to be a part of it, not like they are having religion forced down their throats. I see nothing wrong with it, it's really no different than sending your kid to Dowling HS.
 
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These parent's PAY for their kids to be a part of it, not like they are having religion forced down their throats. I see nothing wrong with it, it's really no different than sending your kid to Dowling HS.
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What? Aren't you in the group voting to keep religion out of catholic high schools? :psmile:
 
JCloned said:
Wow, don't get hating on Jake and his faith. He isn't doing it as a high school coach, or college coach or even little league coach. He is doing at his private business which people can choose to pay to join. It isn't a bait & switch, unless your really not paying attention you know from the start what you are joining.

I say more power this former Cyclone. I am proud to have an alum who believes in investing into the lives of young people while earning a living. Great young man and yeah I agree, he doesn't look like a 1700 point Big 12 scorer.

BTW, I had forgotten how much his last two years were impacted by injuries, makes you wonder what his scoring total could have been.
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After reading the article I have even more respect for Jake now that I know more about his program and I had plenty of respect for him even before this. How anyone can rip on what Jake is trying to do is just pathetic. How many people here would go out of their way to try and help some of the kids that have some real issues with their neighborhoods and even in their family lives? That area over by Evelyn Davis Park is not a very good area and just this past summer it seems like the police were over there quite a bit for shootings or disturbances, imagine a young kid having to grow up surrounded by that. All Jake is trying to do is give those kids an opportunity to better their lives and realize that they are better than some of the "bad apples" to quote the article that are ruining the neighborhood they live in.

Anyone that was going to ISU when Jake was there knows he was a gym rat and had an incredible work ethic. I remember seeing him spending hours at the rec shooting and working on his release throughout the entire year and if that kind of work ethic plus just the genuine good person he seems to be rubs off on some of these kids more power too him. Jake got the most out of the talents he had and probably worked harder than most guys with twice the talent he had.
 
Jake was a great Cyclone no doubt. I was in school at the same time he was, hard work paid off for him. My issue is using religion for profit, that and many would say he is using this program for personal benefit to get into coaching.

This article is 100% a PR move. The register is out looking for articles like this if you have contacts, which JS has plenty you can get an article wrote. His program came under plenty of attack in the last year or two, Jake himself has been on this board to defend his program.

I understand its a private business but that doesn't stop people from thier opinions on it, My kid if I had any would not go to this camp.
 
Great to see a former Cyclone doing something so good for young Iowans. Of course it's for profit, this is America. Good luck Jake!
 
Go Jake! Living the American dream and making a contribution to your fellow man. Imagine, a former athlete succeeding in life. You naysayers are envious little pimples.
 
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