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Is WVU game a MUST Win?

Tuesday nights WVU game a must win?

  • YES

    Votes: 101 67.3%

  • NO

    Votes: 49 32.7%
  • Total voters
    150
  • Poll closed .
A win tomorrow puts us in a very good spot for making the tournament. With home games against OU, OSU, and TCU, those should put us at 9-9. Still have Baylor at home, UT, TTU, and KSU on the road as winnable games that will have close to 50/50 odds.
 
allfourcy said:
I get it, and it would feel so much better to win this, but I hate the words "Must Win". So what does a must-win loss imply? It almost implies that 'if' we would lose to WV, we can't get hot and go on a good run to finish the conference games out. So it would be like having little faith that our team could make much out of their season. So I will say, no. Not a must win. But a sorely needed one!
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Yes, between must-win, bubble team, and several other terms, everyone seems to have a different definition so we often sit here and yell at each other when we actually believe the same things. God bless the internet.
 
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WastedTalent said:
I was looking at their predictions, and have Iowa St 40% to win vs WVU, but like 55% to win vs Baylor. Personally, I would have them flipped.

Which does make the WVU game very important. If they lose, Baylor and/or a conf tournament game is must win.

Bottom line, we need to get to 18 wins, however that's possible. And when then, we'll probably be sweating on selection Sunday.
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I think WVU is better than Baylor.

This site marks...

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-12/2017.html

WVU a 27 point favorite over the average D-1 team
Baylor only a 22 point favorite over " "

Yes, there are a lot of bad D-1 teams out there.

ISU would be a 19 point favorite by the same metric.

27 - 22 = WVU a five-point favorite over Baylor on a neutral court

SRS looks at point differential, not W-L. WVU has a ton of blowout wins and four close loses against relatively good programs (Temple, Texas Tech, KSU, OU... any and all Big 12 teams this year are quality opponents) while Baylor keeps squeaking by and got throttled by WVU in the head-to-head. Teams with a lot of close loses are typically better than their record.*

*much the reason SRS likes ISU, too, and why KenPom and Sagarin do given that ISU has a weak W-L record but lots of "good" and close loses to round us out

KenPom has WVU #5 and Baylor #7.

Sagarin has WVU #1 (and yes, #1 in the nation) and Baylor #11.

I feel a whole lot better about the Baylor game -- we can play with these guys. We have proven it. We were one possession away from nipping a game from them in Waco. I have a bad feeling about WVU being a terrible match up for us. If they play like the WVU of the past two years, that size, pressure, and, well, violence is not going to treat us nicely.
 
jbindm said:
Probably, but I'd rather go into Selection Sunday with a win over a high profile opponent or two. Getting a W at KU or WVU is going to be extremely difficult, so if they're going to get any of the four you mentioned above this is probably their best shot. Not a must win, but definitely a big opportunity.
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Yeah, I agree with you, but I've watched enough Iowa State BB to know it's too early to call any game in the 2nd half of our B12 schedule a win or a loss, so I'm not gonna make that jump to must win for a few games yet.:)
 
I voted no because by definition it's not - we can lose this game and still make the tourney.

However, this game is huge and if we win we are in a good spot for making the tourney. If we lose, it puts us in a tough spot to make the tourney. Simple as that.

Great opportunity for us.
 
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Sigmapolis said:
I think WVU is better than Baylor.

This site marks...

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-12/2017.html

WVU a 27 point favorite over the average D-1 team
Baylor only a 22 point favorite over " "

Yes, there are a lot of bad D-1 teams out there.

ISU would be a 19 point favorite by the same metric.

27 - 22 = WVU a five-point favorite over Baylor on a neutral court

SRS looks at point differential, not W-L. WVU has a ton of blowout wins and four close loses against relatively good programs (Temple, Texas Tech, KSU, OU... any and all Big 12 teams this year are quality opponents) while Baylor keeps squeaking by and got throttled by WVU in the head-to-head. Teams with a lot of close loses are typically better than their record.*

*much the reason SRS likes ISU, too, and why KenPom and Sagarin do given that ISU has a weak W-L record but lots of "good" and close loses to round us out

KenPom has WVU #5 and Baylor #7.

Sagarin has WVU #1 (and yes, #1 in the nation) and Baylor #11.

I feel a whole lot better about the Baylor game -- we can play with these guys. We have proven it. We were one possession away from nipping a game from them in Waco. I have a bad feeling about WVU being a terrible match up for us. If they play like the WVU of the past two years, that size, pressure, and, well, violence is not going to treat us nicely.
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I generally use the eye test. I just don't see much basketball talent on WVU's team. Don't get me wrong, WVU can beat anyone with their style at home, but if Baylor guards are playing well, they're a dangerous team against anyone in the country.
 
Have to either win this game, the Baylor game, or @KU. Win both WVU and Baylor and (assuming we don't crap down our legs against OSU and OU at home) and we'll be in. Certainly wouldn't hurt to win a game in the Big 12 tourney.
 
The season has been over since the Iowa game for most so I don't know why it would be a must win for so many.
 
WastedTalent said:
I generally use the eye test. I just don't see much basketball talent on WVU's team. Don't get me wrong, WVU can beat anyone with their style at home, but if Baylor guards are playing well, they're a dangerous team against anyone in the country.
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I agree with you; Baylor is likely a more talented team.

We all know Scott Drew, though -- recruits like a demon, but underachieves relative to talent.

Huggy, love him or hate him, just manufactures teams, even if there are not many guys winning individual honors or making you think, "Sure wish we had him."

Like I said, neutral court, I'm taking WVU straight up.
 
Cyclonepride said:
No, but a loss turns other games into must wins.
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This is exactly right. If the question is can we lose this game and make the tournament, of course we can. But if we lose this and go down to Lawrence and lose, we may be playing for our lives at Texas which is not a fun thought.
 
Sigmapolis said:
I agree with you; Baylor is likely a more talented team.

We all know Scott Drew, though -- recruits like a demon, but underachieves relative to talent.

Huggy, love him or hate him, just manufactures teams, even if there are not many guys winning individual honors or making you think, "Sure wish we had him."

Like I said, neutral court, I'm taking WVU straight up.
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This used to me the knock on him but it really isn't true. They've had their success with some guys that were not very highly recruited that they've really developed nicely.
 
Not a must win. They just need to go 5-5 the rest of the way to be a lock for the tourney. Doesn't matter who the wins are against. If we really want to improve our seeding, then sure we need to pickup some good wins.
 
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There's a good chance we're going to playing for our lives in KC.

1 or 2 down there might decide it -- zero wins might freeze us out.
 
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