Iowa State would compete in Big Ten

[clonedude]

Sure did. You do realize that Iowa sucked last year, right?

Did you happen to catch Iowa beating the **** out of Florida or South Carolina in previous bowl games? How about that last second win over a Saban-coached LSU team, or the year we got screwed against Urban's first Florida team?

Yep, sure were huge speed differentials in those games. I just saw a blur on my TV screen when I watched them.

Hate to break this to you, but Iowa is not that much better this year than last year. Their QB this year is slightly better and for some reason KF has not been so conservative with his offense, but other than that, they are about the same team.

Be serious for a minute, ISU gave Iowa probably their best game of the year. Wisky and Illinois also came down to the wire so maybe those two were on par with ISU as well, but that's it. I think Iowa would get blown out by a decent team right now.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Sure did. You do realize that Iowa sucked last year, right?

Did you happen to catch Iowa beating the **** out of Florida or South Carolina in previous bowl games? How about that last second win over a Saban-coached LSU team, or the year we got screwed against Urban's first Florida team?

Yep, sure were huge speed differentials in those games. I just saw a blur on my TV screen when I watched them.

I could come back with the USC beatdown in the Orange Bowl, but I will give you that Iowa has had some huge bowl wins. I'm sure LSU fans would say the answered prayer on the long pass to end that game was a fluke, but their defense screwed up big time and Iowa took advantage of it. I just don't see this Iowa team as that good, but we won't find out until the Big 10 championship and I predict a result similar to last year's Wisconsin-OSU game. We'll see.

 

[cayin]

Did you watch the Iowa-Tennessee game last year? And MSU's last minute squeaker over Baylor in their bowl game was even flukier than MSU's win over Michigan yesterday. Baylor dominated and led by something like 17 points with about 10 minutes to go, and in the 4th quarter they had one td called back, a 40 yard gain to the MSU 1 called back, and missed two makeable field goals. After those two fluke wins I believe Sparty really does have a direct line to the Big Man upstairs.

they had a td called back but also a Baylor reciever was running for the end zone on yet another big play and at the 5 he stuck his arm out to stiff arm and got caught grabbing a face mask. The penalty was huge. All he had to do was go down with a first down inside a 5. A td seals it and MSU has no chance at that point. Heck even a FG would have ended it. Baylor was up by 20 and they got cocky and sloppy.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Hate to break this to you, but Iowa is not that much better this year than last year. Their QB this year is slightly better and for some reason KF has not been so conservative with his offense, but other than that, they are about the same team.

Be serious for a minute, ISU gave Iowa probably their best game of the year. Wisky and Illinois also came down to the wire so maybe those two were on par with ISU as well, but that's it. I think Iowa would get blown out by a decent team right now.

Outside of ISU and KU, Big 12 teams Iowa could beat are KSU and Texas. Otherwise coin flips against TTU, WVU, and Oklahoma State. They could probably take down OU if it were played in Iowa City, otherwise no. Baylor and TCU would mow the field lawn with them.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

In other words, I couldn't seen Iowa finishing any higher than 4th in Big 12 this season.

 

[Shawker]

Hate to break this to you, but Iowa is not that much better this year than last year. Their QB this year is slightly better and for some reason KF has not been so conservative with his offense, but other than that, they are about the same team.

Be serious for a minute, ISU gave Iowa probably their best game of the year. Wisky and Illinois also came down to the wire so maybe those two were on par with ISU as well, but that's it. I think Iowa would get blown out by a decent team right now.

I'm not going to make any comments on Iowa's talent level or the caliber of their team, but using the Iowa-Iowa State game as a point of reference for how good Iowa is, or how good their opponents are, is pretty much worthless. It's a huge rivalry game and is close more often than not. Texas just beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is a much better team.

 

[clonedude]

In other words, I couldn't seen Iowa finishing any higher than 4th in Big 12 this season.

That's about where they would finish in the B1G this year as well if there weren't divisions and everyone had to play everyone else.. MSU, OSU, and Michigan would definitely finish ahead of them, and I'm sure one or two others as well possibly.

I don't argue that the top 3 teams in the B1G could compete with the top 3 teams in the Big 12. I agree with that. But Iowa doesn't have to play ANY of the good teams in the B1G this year.... none. It's as easy of a road as you could possibly get in a P5 conference. But Iowa thus far has taken advantage of it, so kudos to them for that. Rhoads would have p***ed it down his leg somehow.

 

[SplitIdentity]

It's pretty much as simple as this IMO....

Iowa State outplayed Iowa for nearly 3 quarters and it was anyone's ballgame with a few minutes left (tied). Iowa is dominating the B1G West and ISU is nearly the worst team in the Big 12.

I don't think any ISU fan is saying that ISU would be winning the B1G West right now like Iowa is, however, with Iowa's schedule this year, we'd be playing teams like Illinois, NW, Minny instead of TCU, Baylor, and OU.

Some Iowa fan earlier in this thread commented that Michigan State and Ohio State have speed equal to the Big 12 teams, which could very well be true, however, Iowa doesn't even have to play MSU, OSU, or even Michigan or Penn State for that matter. Nobody in the B1G West has any speed at all. And don't tell me that Wisky or Nebby do, because they don't. Wisky is a shell of their former self this year, and Nebby is just plain bad.

Who knows how well ISU could do in the B1G West, but it would be a LOT easier than playing everyone in the Big 12, that is not even up for debate.

Iowa is far and away better this year. Not even debateable.

 

[Shawker]

That's about where they would finish in the B1G this year as well if there weren't divisions and everyone had to play everyone else.. MSU, OSU, and Michigan would definitely finish ahead of them, and I'm sure one or two others as well possibly.

I don't argue that the top 3 teams in the B1G could compete with the top 3 teams in the Big 12. I agree with that. But Iowa doesn't have to play ANY of the good teams in the B1G this year.... none. It's as easy of a road as you could possibly get in a P5 conference. But Iowa thus far has taken advantage of it, so kudos to them for that. Rhoads would have p***ed it down his leg somehow.

As an Iowa fan I would much rather play those teams either every year or most years. Those games are just a lot more fun to watch than Purdue, Illinois, etc. Plus, a win over one of them looks a hell of a lot better on the resume.

 

[clonedude]

I'm not going to make any comments on Iowa's talent level or the caliber of their team, but using the Iowa-Iowa State game as a point of reference for how good Iowa is, or how good their opponents are, is pretty much worthless. It's a huge rivalry game and is close more often than not. Texas just beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma is a much better team.

To this very day, I watch both ISU and Iowa play, and I don't believe Iowa has much more talent or is any better than ISU. I just don't. I think the game would still be very close if we played again, and not because it's a rivalry, but because we are not much worse than Iowa.

Iowa's defense is quite a bit better than ISU's, but I think ISU's offense overall is more talented than Iowa's outside of the QB position. If Beathard was our QB instead of Sam, we would beat Iowa by 10 or more points IMO.

 

[clonedude]

As an Iowa fan I would much rather play those teams either every year or most years. Those games are just a lot more fun to watch than Purdue, Illinois, etc. Plus, a win over one of them looks a hell of a lot better on the resume.

You're going to be wishing you played at least one or two of them this year if you go undefeated and don't make the 4 team playoff, which could easily happen. I think quite a few one loss teams would make it over Iowa with Iowa's super weak SOS.

 

[Shawker]

You're going to be wishing you played at least one or two of them this year if you go undefeated and don't make the 4 team playoff, which could easily happen. I think quite a few one loss teams would make it over Iowa with Iowa's super weak SOS.

The schedule isn't that weak though. Maybe by the eye test sure, but the computers don't think so. Last I looked Iowa's SOS was something like 35th. Hardly a murderer's row but not a bunch of cupcakes. Pitt is a legitimately good team. Wisconsin is solid and it was a road win. Northwestern looked really bad these past two weeks, but it was still a road win over a ranked team. Illinois is decent.

 

[CycloneErik]

Next time we do this thread, can we just give it a thread title like "Hawkeye Invitational: Let's Talk Iowa Football," just to make sure that every Iowa fan knows it's going on?

 

[johnnydugouts]

To this very day, I watch both ISU and Iowa play, and I don't believe Iowa has much more talent or is any better than ISU. I just don't. I think the game would still be very close if we played again, and not because it's a rivalry, but because we are not much worse than Iowa.

Iowa's defense is quite a bit better than ISU's, but I think ISU's offense overall is more talented than Iowa's outside of the QB position. If Beathard was our QB instead of Sam, we would beat Iowa by 10 or more points IMO.

You are in denial man. talent, coaching, execution, fundamentals, consistency... Iowa is significantly better in every sense.

 

[CyFan61]

There are lots of great ways to make fun of Iowa this year, but arguing that Iowa State is better than Iowa is not one of them. It takes away the fun of talking about their murderer's row to end the season against the likes of Maryland, Indiana, and Purdue. Before long Mr. "Hawkeyes on my Belly" will be writing a letter to the CFP committee asking how his 10-0 Hawks aren't in their top 4.

 

[Gonzo]

To this very day, I watch both ISU and Iowa play, and I don't believe Iowa has much more talent or is any better than ISU. I just don't. I think the game would still be very close if we played again, and not because it's a rivalry, but because we are not much worse than Iowa.

Iowa's defense is quite a bit better than ISU's, but I think ISU's offense overall is more talented than Iowa's outside of the QB position. If Beathard was our QB instead of Sam, we would beat Iowa by 10 or more points IMO.

And if you were 4" longer you'd be a 6" kind of guy.

 

[clonedude]

You are in denial man. talent, coaching, execution, fundamentals, consistency... Iowa is significantly better in every sense.

Is this the same coaching that all the Iowa fans wanted ran out of town last year because they were so bad? Yep, ok, I thought so. Too bad you guys didn't get your wish and KF was coaching somewhere else this year.

 

[BaylorHistory]

Baylor's OL is good at pass protection but they really haven't faced anyone with a legitimate defensive front 7. They ran the ball 22 times for a -20 yards last year vs MSU in the Cotton Bowl. On the other hand, they gave up 162 yards rushing to MSU's Langford.

We average 348 rushing yards a game which is #2 in the country and more than anyone in the B1G. We didn't run on MSU effectively because they went all out to stop it and, per usual, we took what the defense gave us which was 603 passing yards.

Baylor's Oakman was hardly a factor vs MSU in the Cotton Bowl last year. He's a former PSU recruit that ended up at Baylor after transferring. Apparently he never learned to play with leverage since he was easily washed down the LOS quite often in the bowl game.

Oakman isn't close to being the best player on Baylor's front 7 and is severly overrated due to his imposing size.


Your quote was

None of them feature the defensive front 7s that you'll see in the Big 10 or offensive line play.

Not that last year MSU had a really good team and was able to beat us by a point, but that we don't have the trenches of B1G teams.

It was crazy that WVU was able to rush for 302 yards on Maryland and they were only able to run for 182 on us with Maryland being B1G and all.

 

[SplitIdentity]

Is this the same coaching that all the Iowa fans wanted ran out of town last year because they were so bad? Yep, ok, I thought so. Too bad you guys didn't get your wish and KF was coaching somewhere else this year.

You're not very bright, are you.

 

[SheldonCooper]

But South Carolina and Florida were really bad those years...(rolls eyes)

What point are you trying to make here? Kirk Ferentz has played the SEC in bowl games 5 times. Twice Iowa won by blowout, twice they lost by a TD, and once (last year) they were blown out. The SEC has, historically, been considered a "speed" conference with as much athletic talent as any league in the country. You are willfully ignoring the first 4 games, when Iowa was very competitive, and focusing on the most recent game in some kind of vain attempt to prove your idiotic point.

If I have missed something here, please, by all means, now is the time to point it out. Because at the moment I'm inclined to just put you into the "idiot" pile and move on.