Iowa State Vs. Iowa

[simesclone]

I am glad I came over here for a late night laugh. What a joke.

This is going to be a curb stomping. Iowa 42 ISU 10

Not even a close guess dust smoker. iowa may hang on because of the home field ref's advantage, but they do'nt impress me at all. I say iowa wins on a bad call towards the end of the game.

 

[NotEss]

Seriously, this game isn't going to be close.

I like that long winded post above with the comparisons at every position that somehow has Iowa (a team returning the vast majority of it's starters and best running back from a 11-2 BCS Orange Bowl winning team that finished #7 in the Nation) worse at almost every position when compared to Iowa State?

Seriously? Wow.

I mean, if you want to talk about Iowa State having a chance due to some massive stretch of mistakes, bad luck and turnovers, no problem, but to put Iowa behind at almost every position is just a flat out joke. At least be somewhat honest about everything.

Also, do you realize that you have only had ONE single season with more than 7 wins since 1978?

 

[hawkfan]

QB: I call this one a push honestly. AA and Stanzi are both very experienced QB's, while both very prone to the interception (AA has 26 career int's and Stanzi has 25). I'd say Stanzi is the better passer of the two, but AA does things running the ball that Stanzi is incapable of, and is an extremely tough tackle. Wash here.

RB: A-Rob (Alexander that is) gets the edge here. This isn't a knock on Iowa's RB's as much as the fact A-Rob is simply better. Adam is a solid back for Iowa, runs tough and is a hard tackle but I dont think he has the home run ability of A-Rob. After all Alexander has career long runs of 68, 67, and 63 yards. He can break the big one on any play. And please hawk fans... DO NOT give me this ******** about Jewel Hampton. The kid was good behind one of the best backs in the nation his freshman year, mostly in garbage time and has not played in an actual live game in 21 ******* MONTHS. I dont care how talented you are, you do not come off that long of a time with no real game experience and make a large impact.

WR/TE: Not being a homer here, but the edge definitely goes to ISU here I have to believe. Iowa has the best reciever of the lot with DJK, but doesnt have nearly the depth that ISU does. After DJK and McNutt their isnt a whole lot there for Iowa in my book. For ISU you have loads of depth. Darks is a very good posession reciever, Jake Williams makes the big plays when you need it the most, Sed and Money have athleticism off the charts and Lenz does some very good things in the slot. Its a deep, talented group. Then at TE iowa is breaking in new guys while ISU has the very versatile Collin Franklin. He has the size and strength to block well in the run game, very good hands and has show the ability to make plays after the catch rather than Catlett from last year who was a make the catch and fall down type TE. ISU may not have the best individual here, but definitely has better depth and all around talent.

OL: This is a tough one. I have to give it as a tie. ISU has the edge in experience, but looked shaky at times thursday night. Im not 100% sold on hicks and burris on the right side of the line. Lamaak, Alvarez and KO however are very formidable. Lamaak has picked up right where reggie left off last year and you know what you're getting day in, day out with him. Alvarez is very experienced and similar to Lamaak in that he may not blow you away, but he is very consistent. You know what you get. KO is the key here though. ISU may have gotten blow out of the water last year, but I can honestly say KO flat out dominated Adrian Clayborn. The all-american canidate was pancaked time and time again by KO. He's and absolute animal. Iowa's OL is very talented. There is a lot of ability there, but it's young. Thats what makes this a draw. The ISU OLine has a diffinitive experience edge over Iowa, although Iowa may posses more talent and better depth here.

Overall Offense: Edge goes to ISU.. not by a great amount, but they are a better offense. I think Tom Herman is definitely better than O'Keefe at managing a game plan. The key will be AA and Stanzi limiting mistakes. Iowa's secondary can be taken advantage of however so limiting errors in the passing game is huge for ISU, something AA hasnt proven he can do under pressure yet. For Iowa, they NEED to establish the run. ISU's secondary is talented, and has a knack for big plays. Ricky Stanzi is much better off play action than being a drop back passer.

DL: Definitely has to go to Iowa here. Clayborn is a beast, Klug is a beast, Binns is very good. They are a really really good group. ISU has experienced players in Parker, Bailey, Rump, Neal, etc but the talent isnt nearly the same. ISU's line has improved, especially at DT with Rump and Johnson turning their game up and McDonough getting healthy. They will hold their own against Iowa's OL. The key to the game will be seeing how hicks and burris hold up against Iowa's DL. I really do think KO with neutralize Clayborn again, and if that right side for ISU holds up, we're in for a great game. Iowa definitely gets the edge though.

LB: This is a tough call. I'll give Iowa an edge here, but not by a lot. Both teams are breaking in new starters, but in iowa's case they've been around a little longer. Iowa's LB are always great in run support, but at times can be picked on in the passing game. Week 1 wasnt a great chance to see how the new guys will fare, but there is no doubt that Iowa's LB's are always a tough/nasty group who play very hard and smart. What ISU has is tremendous physicality and athleticism at LB. Knott and Klein will be beasts at ISU. Both of them fly all over the field and are very athletic. I love what they bring to the table, but as just true sophomores they are subject to being out of position and just mistakes due to lack of experience. Tau'fo'ou is a fire plug out there. He plays hard, hits hard, and is smart. He lacks the measurables you like, but he plays tough all the time. Iowa gets the edge due to more experience and sure tackling, but no doubt that ISU's LB's will be all over the field.

DB: Another close call here, but the edge has to go to ISU barely and this is all because of one man coming back. David Sims. Bar none, he is the best defensive back in this game. Sash is a very good saftey, but Sims is an animal. He covers like a corner, hits like a linebacker and plays physical and smart. He's always in the thick of things and is a turnover forcing machine. For ISU they have the advantage of more experience at CB. Leonard Johnson is the best corner in this game IMO. Last year teams would throw away from as much as possible. The kid hits like a freight train (ask tony moeaki about that one) and is always capable of forcing turnovers. The great thing is though, that he had a trio of talented corners to play opposite him. Ter'ran benton is a very physical corner and has loads of experience at this level. Reeves may be small, but makes up for that with incredible speed and athleticism, and anthony young is another corner who showed a knack for the ball in juco and adds immediate depth. For the hawks, prater/castillo/hyde are a solid group of corners, but i think are rather susceptible to the big play. Hyde has talent but is inexperienced, same with castillo. Prater is good, but i think 2nd best in this game to LJ. Sash is a very very good saftey, who always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He is a very talented player, but lacks the athleticism of his counterpart for ISU in david sims. Greenwood is solid at the other saftey, i give him the edge over o'connell. both are smart tough players who dont make many mistakes, but greenwood is more experienced and athletic. Over all though, ISU has the edge.

Overall Defense: Iowa by a fair margin. The DL is way ahead of ISU and the LB's are more sure handed tacklers. IF the ISU front seven can hold their own in the run game, it opens up chances for a very opportunistic ISU secondary to make some huge plays. The key comes down to how well ISU's young linebackers fair. They will be all over the field, but the tackling needs to improve. If they run game is held somewhat in check and Stanzi has to throw, this is where ISU will make its move.

My prediction: If you've managed to sit through and read all this, now its time for the prediction! lol. I think that ISU's defensive front is definitely improved from last year and facing an OL that isnt as good as iowa's bunch last year, will be able to hold Robinson and Hampton in check forcing stanzi to beat ISU through the air. This is where the return of sims is huge. He's make a few big plays to get AA and the offense a chance to put some points up. I doubt Robinson and AA have a great day on the ground, but I see holes in that iowa secondary that can be exploited. I think AA limits the turnovers to maybe just 1 int in the game and is able to produce just enough. 21-17. Cyclones stun the hawks in kinnick. ISU's defense holds its own, and much like at nebraska last year comes up huge in the redzone. AA and company hold on to the ball and limit mistakes, doing just enough to push ISU over the top. Iowa may come into this one overconfident and that will bite them.

The two bolded paragraphs are so full of blatant homerism it is laughable. No one for Iowa after DJK/McNutt? Give me a ******* break. Keenan Davis, Colin Sandeman, and Don Nordman (Along with Paul Chaney Jr.) have all looked like game breakers at times. This is maybe the deepest Iowa has EVER been at WR. Further, at TE, Iowa has so much more depth than ISU it is unbelievable. Iowa's #2 TE yesterday had a career high in catches/yards. The group of Reisner, Herman, Derby, CJ Fiedorowicz is MUCH deeper than anything ISU can offer. It is one thing to say ISU has a better 1/2 punch at starter...but to try and justify your statement by saying ISU is "deeper" really shows you know nothing about Iowa's team (or ISU's for that matter).

So, ISU's DB's get the edge because of one man coming back, huh? Yet Iowa, who has a preseason All American at SS, AND returns their #1 CB (who we didn't have in week 1), doesn't get an edge? Again...what a joke. Most of the national pundits rated Iowa's DB unit in the top 10 nationally....for some reason I never saw ISU in those rankings. It is laughable to say ISU has a better DB unit then Iowa....hell, your justification for it is that David Sims is better than Iowa's All American? Haha. Whatever.

 

[simply1]

Seriously, this game isn't going to be close.

I like that long winded post above with the comparisons at every position that somehow has Iowa (a team returning the vast majority of it's starters and best running back from a 11-2 BCS Orange Bowl winning team that finished #7 in the Nation) worse at almost every position when compared to Iowa State?

Seriously? Wow.

I mean, if you want to talk about Iowa State having a chance due to some massive stretch of mistakes, bad luck and turnovers, no problem, but to put Iowa behind at almost every position is just a flat out joke. At least be somewhat honest about everything.

Also, do you realize that you have only had ONE single season with more than 7 wins since 1978?

Please use the word seriously in every paragraph in the future, I mean seriously how can I take you seriously if you don't qualify the seriously serious parts of your post.



Seriously.

 

[GoClones123]

This is always funny to hear people talk about last years accomplishments! And the national pundants (unless your from the SEC or Texas) spend about 4 minutes of research on your team, hence why they cant say Ferentz correctly and they automatically pick ISU last in the Big 12 North.

I think this game, since they bumped it up in the schedule is really unpredictable. Usually we have 2 or 3 games to analyze our teams and the opponents team. But this year we had A game against a lesser opponent, vanilla play calling, and key personnel from both sides either hurt or suspended....its a crap shoot.

Both sides had issues that you could see, ISU seemed to do alot of arm tackling (reminded me of a Chizik team), and Iowa's offensive line had issues with pass protection and keeping Stanzi comfortable. However, it was only one game, alot can change in a week.

 

[ClimbIowa]

Both sides had issues that you could see, ISU seemed to do alot of arm tackling (reminded me of a Chizik team), and Iowa's offensive line had issues with pass protection and keeping Stanzi comfortable. However, it was only one game, alot can change in a week.

I didn't think Iowa's o-line had much trouble in pass protection. Stanzi did take a few shots from lbs after releasing the ball though. He actually played a pretty decent game and looked comfortable.

Arnaud looked better (especially relative to last year) than Stanzi.

One mildly interesting thing for next week will be those wr screens. ISU got called for two opi's. They could have been called for 2 or 3 times that many. The timing was just a little off. There was one blatant one a few plays before the Arnaud roughing the passer (kind of a flop, but he got the call so good for him) where, I think, Williams got a first down. Guys were blocking way too early. I expect Iowa to make sure the refs watch out for those penalties.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Iowa got little to no pressure on a QB that had 3 guys missing in front of him. At times he stood there for 6-8 seconds looking off his first, second, and third receivers. The LBs for Iowa are a sharp drop from where they were last season, they got caught in space and if EIU had a QB who had played in at least one college football game, he would have had several more completions. Also EUI's tackling ranks right up there with the worst I have ever seen. I started counting in the third quarter and I was at 17 missed tackles, there were at least that amount in the first half.

 

[ClimbIowa]

Iowa got little to no pressure on a QB that had 3 guys missing in front of him. At times he stood there for 6-8 seconds looking off his first, second, and third receivers. The LBs for Iowa are a sharp drop from where they were last season, they got caught in space and if EIU had a QB who had played in at least one college football game, he would have had several more completions. Also EUI's tackling ranks right up there with the worst I have ever seen. I started counting in the third quarter and I was at 17 missed tackles, there were at least that amount in the first half.

I doubt the qb agrees. He threw almost exclusively short passes (any good coach isn't gonna make a young qb stand back there and beat the Hawks deep) and still took a lot of shots. He didn't have much time to throw, regardless of how fast you can count to 6 or 8.

The lbs are a drop off. No doubt. I think Iowa's run D will be more susceptible on the edge this year because of it, but putting Binns back in for Ballard will help some.

 

[NotEss]

Iowa got little to no pressure on a QB that had 3 guys missing in front of him. At times he stood there for 6-8 seconds looking off his first, second, and third receivers. The LBs for Iowa are a sharp drop from where they were last season, they got caught in space and if EIU had a QB who had played in at least one college football game, he would have had several more completions. Also EUI's tackling ranks right up there with the worst I have ever seen. I started counting in the third quarter and I was at 17 missed tackles, there were at least that amount in the first half.

Iowa showed NOTHING, was missing 7 starters and won by 30 (should have been at least 45, but they botched a snap on the 2 and ended the game on the 6).

Iowa State had to play to win and go through the playbook to do it. Also, you played Northern Illinois and are acting as if you beat up on Alabama.

 

[NotEss]

I doubt the qb agrees. He threw almost exclusively short passes (any good coach isn't gonna make a young qb stand back there and beat the Hawks deep) and still took a lot of shots. He didn't have much time to throw, regardless of how fast you can count to 6 or 8.

The lbs are a drop off. No doubt. I think Iowa's run D will be more susceptible on the edge this year because of it, but putting Binns back in for Ballard will help some.

Can we wait to judge the LB drop off until we have the all of the starters actually playing?

 

[tyrelrobert]

Iowa showed NOTHING, was missing 7 starters and won by 30 (should have been at least 45, but they botched a snap on the 2 and ended the game on the 6).

Iowa State had to play to win and go through the playbook to do it. Also, you played Northern Illinois and are acting as if you beat up on Alabama.

Go through the playbook :biglaugh:. Yeah all those zone reads we ran.... crap now the hawks are going to know what offense we run.

I won't even comment on the caliber of opponents because it has been discussed many many times and I wouldn't expect a troll to look at any other threads. Have fun on this message board for the week you will be trolling, then i guess we will see you next year

 

[Sloup]

Iowa showed NOTHING, was missing 7 starters and won by 30 (should have been at least 45, but they botched a snap on the 2 and ended the game on the 6).

Iowa State had to play to win and go through the playbook to do it. Also, you played Northern Illinois and are acting as if you beat up on Alabama.

Yeah, but we did it against a 7-6 MAC team who had the best defense in their conference. And we had missed opportunities to score on top of that as well (see the opening drive and the drive with the second interception). I'll take a 17 point win over a pretty good non-AQ team over a 30 point win over a decent FCS team any day of the week.

I'm not saying Iowa State is going to beat Iowa, but I do feel alot better about this game. Iowa State will show up, and if they don't make too many mistakes, they should at least be in it.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Iowa showed NOTHING, was missing 7 starters and won by 30 (should have been at least 45, but they botched a snap on the 2 and ended the game on the 6).

Iowa State had to play to win and go through the playbook to do it. Also, you played Northern Illinois and are acting as if you beat up on Alabama.

Showed nothing? What do they have to show? Of the 7 starters, how do you know who is back Saturday? If Ghettis has this high ankle sprain, expect at least a month. Prater has a strained hamstring, I hope they do have him play with that injury, big Sed over the top all day. Hampton has not played in a year and a half, just shut up about him until he gets hit in the knee by a player not on his own scout team. Who else? Binns, the weak link last season, ISU will run right at him. Tarp played, so who.......................?????????

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Iowa showed NOTHING, was missing 7 starters and won by 30 (should have been at least 45, but they botched a snap on the 2 and ended the game on the 6).

Iowa State had to play to win and go through the playbook to do it. Also, you played Northern Illinois and are acting as if you beat up on Alabama.

Ban hammer for anyone that compared NIU to EIU. Come on, D2 with a QB who had never played a snap against a team that went bowling last season. You ought to be banned.

 

[crhawkeye]

Watched some of your game... Hard to get a good feel for exactly how good the defense is as I'm not sure NIU has much offense at this point... especially passing.

That said, you guys do have a decent offense. OL seems solid. A Rob is a good RB. Arnaud can do some good things but needs to cut down on the turnovers. (or else make more big plays to offset some of the TOs like Stanzi did last season)

My approach to Iowa would be to spread them out and try running. Get the LBs out of the box. Last year you had a bit of success doing this. Granted... our DL wasn't quite as strong early... and we were starting two new people in the middle... so we may be a bit tougher up front this time around.

Arnaud needs to play a clean game to have a chance. Going to have to find things that work in the short passing game and really take calculated shots downfield.

I thought Stanzi and the passing game looked pretty sharp against EIU -- not that they really tried to push the ball downfield. Iowa definitely has the ability to beat you downfield for big plays with McNutt and DJK. If I were ISU I'd try to take those away and settle for dinking and dunking. We gouged you last season through the air and will likely have a better passing attack this time around.

Iowa is still a little green up front on the OL... so your biggest hope might be there. Honestly, though, really not sure what you've got going on up front on the DL.

I didn't think our OL did a great job run blocking against EIU... not terrible, but not great either. Sure EIU loaded up the box often enough... but they shouldn't have that great a defense. (were #16 ranked in div 1aa -- and, BTW... only 1 starter out due to suspension... much less than Iowa, who had at least 4 starters out)

Then again, our OL wasn't that great last season and underperformed quite a bit... did OK against you guys though.

Adam Robinson is a tough back... great balance, runs strong, slippery, breaks tackles. That said, doesn't have a great burst out there. Not a big play threat that way. Hampton will be back this week and is much more explosive. Can't afford to give him lots of room.

I thought Iowa's special teams looked stellar Saturday. Kickoffs in the endzone, great punting... a blocked punt... good blocking on KO returns. Again, though, don't know how strong you guys are there.

Basically... going to have to play a really smart, clean game... and capitalize on Iowa mistakes to have a good shot at it. Comparing the teams straight up... it'd be an uphill battle for you guys.

 

[Stonesthatroll]

Iowa got little to no pressure on a QB that had 3 guys missing in front of him. At times he stood there for 6-8 seconds looking off his first, second, and third receivers. The LBs for Iowa are a sharp drop from where they were last season, they got caught in space and if EIU had a QB who had played in at least one college football game, he would have had several more completions. Also EUI's tackling ranks right up there with the worst I have ever seen. I started counting in the third quarter and I was at 17 missed tackles, there were at least that amount in the first half.

:biglaugh: Stop being an embarrassing. That EIU QB almost never stood still, and the run game almost always ran away from a double teamed Clayborn. EIU took one down field shot, every thing else was a quick dump off in the flats or less than 10 yards. Watch games with objectivity for once, you may learn something.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

:biglaugh: Stop being an embarrassing. That EIU QB almost never stood still, and the run game almost always ran away from a double teamed Clayborn. EIU took one down field shot, every thing else was a quick dump off in the flats or less than 10 yards. Watch games with objectivity for once, you may learn something.

Watch the TD pass as one example, did you watch the game? He had never played a college game ever, of course he will be jittery with even the littlest of pressure.

 

[everyyard]

Miracles do happen, but we are gonna need one. Someone is going to match up well enough this year to sneak one out of Iowa while they are busy stroking their egos and listening to the media...but it likely isn't us. Probably Northwestern.

 

[G-Rock]

Then at TE iowa is breaking in new guys while ISU has the very versatile Collin Franklin.

Career #'s:

Colin Franklin (ISU) - 38 catches, 525 yards, 2 tds

Allen Reisner (Iowa) - 31 catches, 413 yards, 2 tds

 

[Stonesthatroll]

Watch the TD pass as one example, did you watch the game? He had never played a college game ever, of course he will be jittery with even the littlest of pressure.

I did watch the game, and that was play action on which the CB bit, not the QB standing back surveying the field and picking apart the defense. That was one of 2 throws that were actually down field. The only time EIU moved the ball was with that fake punt. Most of the time the ball was dumped off near the flat and the receiver didn't have much room to run afterward. You said the QB stood still for "6-8 seconds looking off receivers", I could count the times he stood still for more than 4 on one hand.