Iowa State Transfer/Recruiting Class 2023

[cyfan92]

Having small posts doesn't hurt you until it does. Texas was fortunate in it's NCAA run that Nunge was the only traditional post they faced in games against: PSU, Colgate, Xavier and Miami

So when a coach is building a team to take a deep NCAA Tournament run, having a couple solid bigs can help win the match-up battle. UConn was able to take advantage of two really solid traditional posts in Sonogo and Klingan plus a physical stretch PF in Caraban. We saw a talented small-ball Miami roster struggle against UConn's interior height and physicality.

I feel a big reason for Steve Prohm's lack of success, even when ISU was talented his first couple years, he could only win ONE way. We had to make a high % of jump shots to outscore people. We weren't going to play better defense, out rebound, out physical or even out execute teams in the half court.

Whereas, TJ gets how to build a roster. We will definitely have a preferred style, but we will be able to match-up to our opponents or create mismatches. And if we continue to play a trapping style half court defense, having a couple rim protectors is critical.

I agree but also will raise you Purdue and Kentucky.. They have the two best big guys in the country and both lost round 1...

You need multiple guards who can dribble and be playmakers A LOT more than you need Zach Edy or Oscar Tshiebwe. Baylor won a national title with Mark Vital (6'5"), Everyday John, and Flo Thamba.

 

[cyfan92]

Curtis Jones I presume?

Yes, I fixed it..

 

[isutrevman]

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I'd take Rodman.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Uconns starting center was 6'9.

I know they had the 7' ft off the bench but he only averaged 13 mins a game

At a certain point of height the spectrum collapses on itself when you factor in wing span, vertical, etc. 6’8”, 6’9”, 6’10” just blends in together. I would be interested to see how many P6 starters are 6’10” and over.

 

[Gunnerclone]

I agree but also will raise you Purdue and Kentucky.. They have the two best big guys in the country and both lost round 1...

You need multiple guards who can dribble and be playmaker A LOT more than you need Zach Edy or Oscar Tshiebwe. Baylor won a national title with Mark Vital (6'5"), Everyday John, and Flo Thamba.

March is all about the guards. Purdue not only had a tall center, they had a dominating 7’+ center and it didn’t matter. I would say it’s easier to adjust to defending that kind of post vs adjusting to defending a dynamic guard or group of dynamic guards.

 

[bawbie]

Young?

Curtis Jones from Buffalo seems to be the leading name for the third spot

 

[SoleCyclone]

I know it's been stated before but arguably our best team ever ran:
Fizer 6'8
Johnson 6'6
Tinsley 6'3
Horton 6'1
Nurse 6'1

All were aggressive rebounders and defenders. 3 very strong ball handlers and guys who can drive the ball. A couple high level 3 point shooters. This recipe can win lots of games. Also, this team had absolutely no depth. My apologies to Rancik, Shirley, Hawkins, Evans

 

[bosco]

It's about height up to a point. It's more about who is at the 5. Would you take Ejim at the 5 last season or Shoon, and no disrespect to Shoon but that's a B12 POY.

 

[cyfan92]

 

[cyfan92]

I know it's been stated before but arguably our best team ever ran:
Fizer 6'8
Johnson 6'6
Tinsley 6'3
Horton 6'1
Nurse 6'1

All were aggressive rebounders and defenders. 3 very strong ball handlers and guys who can drive the ball. A couple high level 3 point shooters. This recipe can win lots of games. Also, this team had absolutely no depth. My apologies to Rancik, Shirley, Hawkins, Evans

Remember when a 6'1" PG had more rebounds than Tre King, BRE, and Flo Thamba COMBINED

 

[qwerty]

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I would like to see deep bench last four minutes because we are up 30+ . . . . unless it is Iowa, then bury that turd even deeper.

 

[Statefan10]

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Man I'd even put Keshon in there too for the last 4 minutes though..

Tamin
Jackson
Keshon
Omaha
Milan

I mean think about it.. Especially if we're in an offense/defense situation, you'll have 5 ball handlers on the court who can all shoot FT's well.

 

[SoleCyclone]

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I think with the depth next year lineups will be super varying and interchangeable. I'm more concerned with top 5 minutes earning players. I trust what the coaches see in practice is better than what CF argue about. My top 5 would be because of how multiple they are in different types of lineups: (going to error on the side that milan plays up to his projection)

Gilbert
Paveletzke
C. Jones
Momcilovic
Biliew

*Note: this isn't a starting or crunch time lineup. Just highest amount of minutes. Big body guys like Tre King, Jones, Ward need more rest and rack up more fouls. Whereas Gilbert, C. Jones, Paveletzke get extra minutes because they are scorers, can run the point, distribute, and shoot a good % (2pt, 3pt, FT)

 

[Statefan10]

I think with the depth next year lineups will be super varying and interchangeable. I'm more concerned with top 5 minutes earning players. I trust what the coaches see in practice is better than what CF argue about. My top 5 would be because of how multiple they are in different types of lineups: (going to error on the side that milan plays up to his projection)

Gilbert
Paveletzke
C. Jones
Momcilovic
Biliew

*Note: this isn't a starting or crunch time lineup. Just highest amount of minutes. Big body guys like Tre King, Jones, Ward need more rest and rack up more fouls. Whereas Gilbert, C. Jones, Paveletzke get extra minutes because they are scorers, can run the point, distribute, and shoot a good % (2pt, 3pt, FT)

I'm interested to see how Tamin's offensive game takes the next step with shooters and other play making threats around him. I think he will be better and because of that, will be tough to take off the floor (again). His defense and rebounding from his position, with his playmaking ability on offense, makes him such a factor out there.

 

[Cyforce]

I'm interested to see how Tamin's offensive game takes the next step with shooters and other play making threats around him. I think he will be better and because of that, will be tough to take off the floor (again). His defense and rebounding from his position, with his playmaking ability on offense, makes him such a factor out there.

I think the competition for minutes at point will make bothe players better.

 

[CyLyte2]

Tamin Lipsey won’t be outside the top 5 in minutes.

 

[Billups06]

That's what I get for never reading beyond what I wanna read

Don't worry. I took @cyfan92 post as serious too.

 

[SoleCyclone]

I think the competition for minutes at point will make bothe players better.

This is correct. My list of top 5min earned does not mean there is a big discrepancy. I could see a lot more number being closer to 30 vs how Holmes and Kalscheur were around 40 this year. Lipsey on my list was #6 even though he may start. Just might be a guy that comes out at the 15min mark. He's an absolute terror when he can go 100% for 3-4min at a time

 

[isucy86]

I agree but also will raise you Purdue and Kentucky.. They have the two best big guys in the country and both lost round 1...

You need multiple guards who can dribble and be playmakers A LOT more than you need Zach Edy or Oscar Tshiebwe. Baylor won a national title with Mark Vital (6'5"), Everyday John, and Flo Thamba.

Is it more important to have great guards, yes. But if I'm building a team, I want both and I think TJ is doing that with guys like Osun, Ward, Jones and Rock. IMO we are always going to have 2-3 traditional posts on the roster.

Having an effective post forces defenses to defend the paint (some cases double team). A good post, makes guards more effective. A team doesn't need a 7 footer. Just a guy who can control the paint- UConn's Sonogo is 6'9".

IMO it's tougher to make a deep NCAA run without solid post play. Baylor won with 4 guards, but they still played a post/rim protector 32 minutes of the title game with Thamba and Tchatchoua.

 

[t-noah]

first we have to get them to commit ..... or we'll never know

I'll see what I can do!