Iowa State concludes its AAU membership

Purdue has a medical school. We just don’t have the size and money to be what those schools are.

Iowa State is being hurt by budget cuts and stuff but most of the college ranking stuff is academic chest pumping rather than real distinction in quality.
I don’t think Purdue has a medical school. The Indiana University Medical School West Lafayette campus is located on the Purdue campus. But that’s not Purdue research money, that’s IU.
 
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Can you link me some other metrics or rankings that show ISU's academic profile improving or holding even over the past few decades? This event isn't an isolated thing.

I hope you can show me some links and that my perception is wrong.
There are plenty of fine universities who are not AAU members. Is that the end all be all for judging a college or university?

I'm not aware of ISU falling precipitously in any other academic metric.

Furthermore, the AAU isn't technically about a schools "academic profile", it's about its research capacity. One could argue they go hand in hand sometimes I guess.

But until I see ISU taking a nose dive with regards to its research grants, etc., I'm not going to worry about it.
 
There was a much larger thread about this (maybe a week ago) in the cave.

On your point about the benefits, I think the consensus was that Iowa State’s statement was mostly spin and that Iowa State left before they could be kicked out
Isn't that the way it's supposed to work - when you can't or won't live up to the standards you bow out on your own rather than being kicked out ala Nebby!?
 
It should have been in the cave from the beginning (and it should be noted that a separate post was in the cave before the mods decided to merge them). Some topics are just political and that’s fine. This was going to be one of them. Therefore, it made completely sense to have it in the cave.

Edit: also, do you think Iowa State would have remained in the AAU long term if they hadn’t left? Because whether it made sense for them to remain in the AAU (or even that it is a good thing that they left) is entirely different from whether they would have been kicked out
Who knows? Why would ISU suddenly be kicked out after being a member for like 60 years?
 
I don’t think Purdue has a medical school. The Indiana University Medical School West Lafayette campus is located on the Purdue campus. But that’s not Purdue research money, that’s IU.
Maybe this isn’t a true medical school as I look closer. https://www.purdue.edu/hhs/hsci/

Point being at least from my uneducated opinion is that Purdue has more of a human medical focus. Ours seems more focused on agriculture. Either way Purdue is a competitive school and Iowa State is a true public school that if you meet minimum standards you are accepted.

As others have said I don’t like this and it hurts our image but I also don’t think the sky is falling as much as some want to act like.
 
Not having a medical school is strike one. Being an Ag school is strike two. The AAU does not count research in Agriculture as part of an institution's research. It is frankly quite an achievement that ISU was able to hang on to AAU membership for over 60 years.

Read this if you really want to understand the issues. Keep in mind that this is about Nebraska but written from Missouri's perspective so it is probably less biased than if coming out of Lincoln.

 
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Not having a medical school is strike one. Being an Ag school is strike two. The AAU does not count research in Agriculture as part of an institution's research. It is frankly quite an achievement that ISU was able to hang on to AAU membership for over 60 years.

Read this if you really want to understand the issues. Keep in mind that this is about Nebraska but written from Missouri's perspective so it is probably less biased than if coming out of Lincoln.


a lot more money in nebraska.... only show in town.... big10 member gets access to grants... isu is near a deathbed. it sucks but its reality.
 
Maybe this isn’t a true medical school as I look closer. https://www.purdue.edu/hhs/hsci/

Point being at least from my uneducated opinion is that Purdue has more of a human medical focus. Ours seems more focused on agriculture. Either way Purdue is a competitive school and Iowa State is a true public school that if you meet minimum standards you are accepted.

As others have said I don’t like this and it hurts our image but I also don’t think the sky is falling as much as some want to act like.
It appears to be an undergraduate program in health sciences that has a few grad programs that do not involve becoming a DO or MD. ISU has a few similar health science related undergrad programs. I assume Indiana just has one public university with a medical school, similar to Iowa, although they have several locations for parts of the IU Medical School. The Indiana School of Medicine also has a location on Notre Dame Avenue in South Bend near ND Stadium.
 
Sigh. The sky isn't falling and nobody said it was. But ISU was in a prestigious group, and now it's not, and almost certainly not by its own choice. Spin it any way you like, but as recently as a few weeks ago, membership was held up as a huge positive for the institution.

It's a clear sign of disinvestment and decline in the university. The sky is not falling but it will hurt the university over time, and in ways the public won't be in a position to appreciate.

No, the sky isn't falling. You're right. Doesn't mean there weren't a lot of posters on here acting like it was.
 
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This. An individual metric and status like this can be dismissed but they can't be ignored as a very clear big picture.

Did I chose ISU in the 90s because it had AAU status? No.

Did I research ISU's general academic reputation, rankings and standing vs the rest of the country as a high school senior? Yes I did.

Do I like the fact that the school where I got my degree loses ground compared to the rest of the country and world every year? No, not at all.

At least at this point in my career my portfolio and resume are 99% of what matters. Coming out of school and hitting the job market is really the main time when that reputation of your degree matters, maybe a little networking if you live among a ton of alumni. Living and working near a lot of inherited massive generational wealth the past 7 years has opened my eyes a bit that even among those highly ranked AAU schools there's kind of an "old boys club" line where the Ivy and similar open doors that degrees like Michigan St, Iowa, Purdue, KU etc do not.


Start a new club. Don't allow Big 10 grads. Only hire those who graduated from trash community colleges like Iowa State and Northern Iowa.
 
No, the sky isn't falling. You're right. Doesn't mean there weren't a lot of posters on here acting like it was.
Yeah right. That's why the Faculty Senate has summoned Wintersteen to appear at the next meeting to answer questions about losing our AAU status. Breaking news: they're livid.
But that's OK, you say "the sky isn't falling."
 
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I invite @VeloClone or @Cymon to ask faculty who have been at iowa state for 20+ years. ask them if the quality of education/university is improving. i dont think you're gonna like the answer.
Absolutely cuts have hurt ISU. But my point is that ISU's grip on AAU membership was tenuous at best and it was only a matter of time before the strikes ISU started with spelled the death knell of membership. It is tough to compete with one hand tied behind your back and your ankles tied together.
 
Purdue has a medical school. We just don’t have the size and money to be what those schools are.

Iowa State is being hurt by budget cuts and stuff but most of the college ranking stuff is academic chest pumping rather than real distinction in quality.
It's one of 9 locations for Indiana University School of Medicine. Things have to get fuzzy in terms of how medical research funding gets considered by AAU in that kind of set up. I think for Purdue it's more about the fact that it's an elite engineering school.
 

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