Iowa/MSU

Look, Iowa is playing well, no doubt. Kudos to them. BUT.....Lets also not pretend that they haven't had to endure what ISU has. Their 'experienced lineup' didn't lose their coach they've had their whole career and are now having to adjust to another one. They didn't lose their whole asst. coaching staff that develop continuity in their program. Only Byers (Dir. of Ops) is back for ISU and I don't sense that is a daily hands/on coach on the floor position. More importantly, they didn't lose an experienced starter/leader like Naz. They didn't lose two incoming recruits for depth, one which was our backup front court player(Williams) and backup pt guard(Niskowiak) so Monte (unlike Gesell) can afford foul trouble and not play 45 minutes! They didn't have their head coach leaving in late spring when possible transfers or late signees needed to be picked up.

YES, our team is capable of playing better and MUST get better on defense. But to not understand what ISU has gone through compared to Iowa is really shortsighted and unfair. Iowa has 4 starters back, almost 5 as Clemons played plenty. We're starting last year's role players, Matt and Abdel, both who are now being asked to do it all the whole game. There's so many things that have happened to our team that add up, especially since the Holberg departure was happening. And, no its not Prohm's fault. Nor is it Fred's. Its nobody's fault. It is what it is.

There is no denying Iowa State has had its share of bad luck the last few months. The point I was trying to make is lets give Iowa a little bit of credit. The better they play the better our RPI will be at the end of the season.
 
He hardly scores because the coach hardly plays him which bothers me. Take the last game for instance, he was playing pretty good defense and took care of the ball for the most part, should have gotten more minutes. Nothing wrong with a guy that does his part but lets the scorers do theirs. I think he just needs time and confidence to get comfortable on the court again and he should get that opportunity.

I agree just because he isn't lighting the world on fire from deep doesn't mean he shouldn't get a few more minutes as long as he is playing solid D and taking care of the ball.
 
Bingo, someone above talked about Iowa's length. Their length is overlooked and it gave MSU fits in both games. Not to mention MSU was I think #1 rebounding team in the nation before last night and Iowa won the rebounding battle. Uthoff is a stud and is a match-up nightmare for anyone.

Honestly, Iowa gave us the game on a silver platter by collapse else we would have been taken out. Right now? Iowa would wipe us up because we can't play defense and we are very inconsistent. No one really mentions Fran and how he has managed to improve from year to year without skipping a beat. Now that he is employing his style of recruits in his scheme it's actually impressive. Iowa is throwing Baer, Uhl, Wagner, Jok, and Ellingson in the mix to give them more minutes to build them into major role players. Not to mention, they threw freshman Christian Williams into the mix last night who "looked" decent. They are reloading now and their next class and classes to follow will be better than what they got now which is scary. I fully expect Tyler Cook and Bohannan to get looks next season for PT.
 
I loved how Mccaffrey threw Williams into 4 minutes of action at one of the most hostile arenas in college basketball out of complete necessity. But coach Prohm refuses to get Carter or Ashton involved even for a 2 minute stretch so Morris and Niang arent completely gassed at the end.

The guy hadnt even appeared in a Big Ten game all year but was able to provide a couple minutes. Its like Prohm thinks the other team will go on a 20-0 in 2 minutes if either of them is on the floor.
 
Tum Tum Nairn and Matt McQuaid? Why are they on the court? It doesn't seem like they do anything but miss shots. QUOTE]

They would be the two highest recruits on our team. Gotta play guys through tough times. Only way to get them ready to be called on when really needed.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/iowastate/basketball/recruiting/player-Lourawls-Nairn-133292

https://rivals.yahoo.com/iowastate/basketball/recruiting/player-Matt-McQuaid-133799


Nairn is an experienced player at this point. Iowa was literally not guarding him in the second half. McQuaid is a shooting guard? He doesn't look comfortable shooting from 3 in the games I've watched.

Meanwhile, Deyonta Davis looks like one of the more talented players, yet, averages 17 minutes/gm. I know Izzo is the best at getting his guys ready in March, but if I were an MSU fan, I would be concerned that Nairn is taking up that many minutes at guard. He's a horrible player offensively.
 
Great win for Iowa but much st has played no one all year accept early ku which ku always loses early....always. MSU barely beat Oakland, minn and pen st. 3 horribly awful teams. MSU was exposed.

Iowa is playing great and hitting unbelievable % from 3. Live and die by the 3. Will they be able to maintain this shooting and play until March?

MSU beat Penn State by 30, man. Did you even check their schedule? Are we really going have an 8 page thread on the Iowa vs MSU game? Can we worry about our own team, who happens to need our support more than ever right now?!

Iowa is really good, MSU is really good. We are struggling. I don't get fans that try to diminish another schools big wins. They are making our win against them look really really good right now.
 
Michigan State's supporting cast looked awful, although it was obvious Iowa's length gives them problems. Tum Tum Nairn and Matt McQuaid? Why are they on the court? It doesn't seem like they do anything but miss shots. It was fun to see Costello whine all game. He might be my least favorite player in the NCAA.

If their supporting cast is awful, what would a non ISU fan or hater say about our supporting cast?
 
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Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.

Exactly guard the 3 and make the stoog beat you.
 
Wait what? So all they do is jack up 3's and if you stop that its an easy win? So Gessell cant penetrate? Uthoff and Jok cant make jump shots? Woodbury cant clean up misses inside?

Lets face it, they are a deep senior oriented team who plays excellent defense, has length, has 2 high level shooters from anywhere on the floor in Jok and Uthoff, basically has 2 senior point guards running the offense, and a center inside who disrupts alot of shots not matter how awkward he looks.

Lets not pretend they just throw up random 3's and thats why they are being successful.

Jok shoots 40% from the floor and 36% from 3. Wouldn't consider that a high level shooter. Uthoff is though
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court.Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.

Iowa is due for some regression on their three point shooting, but they aren't just outscoring people. They are really good defensively too, 11th in the country in Def Eff, and they block a ton of shots and force turnovers. It's also hard to stop 3 point shooters when they're 6'6-6'9, have to really get up on them to close out.
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.


LOLZ
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.

Ok, 36% of their shots this year are 3's, of that 33% of their points scored are from 3's. I wouldn't say they live or die by the 3.

They have taken 1006 shots, 358 of those have been 3's. They have scored 1297 points and 432 of those by 3's. Iowa can beat you without living by the 3.
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.

I completely disagree I think they'd kick our *** if we played them right now. I'm not saying they are a better team but right now they are playing much better and with more confidence. Hopefully our boys figure it out tomorrow and get back on track.
 
Cooke is better than any back up guard they have but I have a feeling Cooke isn't totally back to himself. He had to sit out a long time before he could play basketball again. I'm hoping that as the season goes along he can continue to improve. Yeah Forbes and McQuaid are important for MSU. And you are right their PG has no shot whatsoever and Vakentine is not 100% so that doesn't help. But still Iowa's defense is really good this year. Iowa is now ranked 4 on Ken Pom. That's impressive.
Will Naz try to come back for the two tournaments if Monte is going to leave and roomie Georges is graduating? I mean, how much does he want to come back?
 
Iowa is winning by the 3's........and it's been said if ya live by the 3's you die by the 3's. I don't think Iowa has scored more than 30 in a half when they get their 3's shut down. You think MSU would have figured that out in the first five minutes especially after loosing the first game on Iowa's home court. Other teams are going to start figuring this out. If ISU played Iowa again we'd beat them by +20.

Come on man.... You sound rediculous
 
Correct. And let's not pretend that sparty has no talent. They have at least a half-dozen top 100 players on the roster along with a five star and a player of the year candidate. For some reason they just aren't meshing like usual.
 

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