Iowa/ISU rematch

[Omaha Cy]

1st, no way in hell could Hawk fans survive losing to ISU twice in 1 football season. Heads would explode. Half of their fan base would perish that day.

Pretty evenly matched teams still to this day. ISUs strength is to stop the pass, and they could again load the box vs Iowa. Hawks would scores some points but not go crazy. Hawks d-line is improved but still not great. Barnett would be running around making plays(similar to how Jantz did), and ISU would get their yards and points as well.

Toss up then, toss up now.

 

[kas4cy]

And the other turnover was a fumble, that if I'm not mistaken, Marcus Coker fumbled the ball right back to ISU on the very next play.

And for the outgaining in yards debate, look at my previous post. Iowa always gives up yards, always. That is how their defense is built. Last year in the Insight Bowl, they gave up over 500 yards of offense. Who won that game?

The ball Shontrell coughed up was not on an Iowa player's doing, if I remember correctly. He dove for more yards and lost it. Coker was stripped. That pretty much supports the "shoot in the foot" theory. Unforced turnovers is what we're talking about here.

 

[kas4cy]

1st, no way in hell could Hawk fans survive losing to ISU twice in 1 football season. Heads would explode. Half of their fan base would perish that day.

Pretty evenly matched teams still to this day. ISUs strength is to stop the pass, and they could again load the box vs Iowa. Hawks would scores some points but not go crazy. Hawks d-line is improved but still not great. Barnett would be running around making plays(similar to how Jantz did), and ISU would get their yards and points as well.

Toss up then, toss up now.

This, is my impression of how it would go if it was a bowl game. Add in that Wally and Norm Parker have proven over their years that if they have enough time to scheme, they can shut people down, and you have one hell of a toss up. Iowa State was better in September, but I have no idea how another match-up would go. I think Iowa State has proven to be a better team this year though, so I would say they would win, although close.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

That battle is going to take MUCH longer to win, unless Iowa just falls off the map. That's just what happens when ISU has a long stretch of (overall) pathetic-ness while Iowa is going to January bowl games. Iowa has a big head start thanks to the past 30 years.

Is the difference really that great? It's not as if we're trying to play catch-up to Alabama or USC here. Even in just the last 30 years (before which Iowa was a complete pushover), Iowa's a middle-of-the-road Big Ten program. Iowa has fewer outright titles than Illinois in that time frame, and the same number as Northwestern...and that's in a very polarized league where they can feast on Indianas and Purdues and Minnesotas every year.

I agree that it takes a long, long time for a football program to die even if they haven't had success in ages (looking at you, Notre Dame). Schools nostalgically cling to their history and tradition, creating the appearance of a strong program well after the last time they were relevant (think Minnesota, Syracuse). But a program can go from being a doormat to a force in a relatively short amount of time. Any Iowa fans that were alive before 1980 should know this very, very well. Wisconsin, like Iowa, was a perennial cellar-dweller before Alvarez took over in the early 90s. Bill Snyder did it the same amount of time at K-State, which was arguably the worst program in history before then. Get the right coach with the right recruits (or transfers), win a few high-profile games, and you can be contending in 5-10 years.

We've got the coach, and you've seen what we can already do with our very young, very inexperienced talent. There's absolutely zero reason to believe that what happened at Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Florida State, etc. can't also happen at Iowa State.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I hope there are no rematches in the bowls. I don't want to see Alabama vs. LSU again, and I don't want to see ISU vs. Iowa again. I want to see how well ISU can compete with a team from the PAC or something like that--that's what make bowls fun.

Hope we get in the Holiday bowl.

 

[kas4cy]

Is the difference really that great? It's not as if we're trying to play catch-up to Alabama or USC here. Even in just the last 30 years (before which Iowa was a complete pushover), Iowa's a middle-of-the-road Big Ten program. Iowa has fewer outright titles than Illinois in that time frame, and the same number as Northwestern...and that's in a very polarized league where they can feast on Indianas and Purdues and Minnesotas every year.

I agree that it takes a long, long time for a football program to die even if they haven't had success in ages (looking at you, Notre Dame). Schools nostalgically cling to their history and tradition, creating the appearance of a strong program well after the last time they were relevant (think Minnesota, Syracuse). But a program can go from being a doormat to a force in a relatively short amount of time. Any Iowa fans that were alive before 1980 should know this very, very well. Wisconsin, like Iowa, was a perennial cellar-dweller before Alvarez took over in the early 90s. Bill Snyder did it the same amount of time at K-State, which was arguably the worst program in history before then. Get the right coach with the right recruits (or transfers), win a few high-profile games, and you can be contending in 5-10 years.

We've got the coach, and you've seen what we can already do with our very young, very inexperienced talent. There's absolutely zero reason to believe that what happened at Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Florida State, etc. can't also happen at Iowa State.

I think so. Remember, Iowa is 2 years removed from a BCS bowl win, and has been a really decent and consistant program over the past 10 years. Iowa is consistently targeted by top 100 recruits and actually gets some of them, although most are linemen, running backs, and tight ends. ISU has been bowl eligible 2 of the last 3 years, and only really remotely relevant for the past 10. Iowa State still hasn't pulled in or been target by very few top 100 recruits.

In my eyes, we're still 3-5 years away from being able to sniff the expectation of 7 wins at least... and that's providing Rhoads keeps working his magic, which I hope he does. Just my opinion though. I could see us farther behind than we actually.

 

[HuxleyClone]

Why would anyone be interested in the Hawkeyes getting a second chance at THEIR Super Bowl outside of this state?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Reading comprehension. It's a wonderful thing, my friend.

I said the Iowa team that we're seeing now would beat an ISU team led by Jantz. Because Iowa is better now than they were then.

But with Barnett under center, I can't say that. Because with Barnett, ISU is better, too.

Your defense isn't better now. They have played offensively inept teams. The only one they have played with a close to scary offense is Michigan and they have handcuffed themselves all year wedging Denard into a different scheme that what will make him successful. Our defense just held OSU to 17 points in regulation. They are getting better too. In the first meeting, you couldn't stop our Jantz lead offense. I talked to Tron about this at halftime of that game. You guys couldn't get us off the field without a mistake on our part (fumble, muffed snap) The game, from a qualitative standpoint, wasn't close.

 

[flycy]

No ISU has not been consistent. I didn't mention who would win or my thoughts on ISU, I'm simply commenting on Iowa. They are no better than they were in September. The Hawkeye fan base is on a roller coaster ride. One week they are winning the division, the next they are the worst team in the conference and Ferentz needs to be fired, than they are good again, than they are going to lose out and not make a bowl game, than even with 6 wins they are going to turn it down b/c they are above a crappy bowl game, now they have clearly gotten better.

Hawks are who they are. An ok football team that doesn't have a huge room for error. Just like Iowa State.

This describes Nebraska as well, which is why that game this weekend could be interesting. It's also why I wish the Huskers hadn't run away from the Big 12. I think we would have an excellent shot of making it two in a row in there house if we played them.

 

[atlantacyclone]

I guess that I probably shouldn't say this out loud, but I always root for Iowa and like them in general. ISU will always be the one and only team that I care about, but I did have a cousin play football at Iowa (of course he ended up at Yale - my Dad at Harvard so ISU folks are always one step better) and I am named after my Dad's hs b-ball coach who went on to coach at Iowa. You could see Iowa give away a good season against Minny at the end of the game. Minn players were pumped and Iowa players looked like they didn't give a damn. I would rather see ISU play an SEC team like Georgia in a bowl if at all possible.

 

[tm3308]

Your defense isn't better now. They have played offensively inept teams. The only one they have played with a close to scary offense is Michigan and they have handcuffed themselves all year wedging Denard into a different scheme that what will make him successful. Our defense just held OSU to 17 points in regulation. They are getting better too. In the first meeting, you couldn't stop our Jantz lead offense. I talked to Tron about this at halftime of that game. You guys couldn't get us off the field without a mistake on our part (fumble, muffed snap) The game, from a qualitative standpoint, wasn't close.

I've never disagreed with any of this. The defense still isn't good, thought it is slightly better than it was when the Hawks went to JTS. Bernstine makes the unit better, and he didn't play in Ames. Prater has been up and down all year, and Hyde has been consistent if not spectacular. But as a whole, the defense just isn't very good.

 

[awd4cy]

If Iowa and ISU played again I'm sure that LJ would shut down McNutt again. Then after that it would pretty much come down to how well would we do stopping Coker. I also take our special teams over Iowa (except our kickers of course).

 

[LegendaryTRX]

Exactly, I think we're kind of arguing the same point here. The exact same thing can be said for ISU. ISU shows up the first 3 weeks and fans are proclaiming Steele Jantz to be the savior and should be getting Heisman talk. Then they come out and get blown out 4 weeks in a row, and people are pi**ed off and are saying CPR can't hack it, and Pollard needs to step in and show some discipline, because the team lacks focus and has a bunch of personal fouls all the time. Now, CPR is the savior and fans are worried other teams may come in and poach him.

I can't believe no one else was bothered by this.

CPR was never in question, some of his staff may have been, but I don't think there was ANY Iowa State fan who though CPR "couldn't hack it"

CPR has been the savior since he showed up.

Wait why are we even discussing the Hawks? Been there done that, beat them in September. What's Iowa's best win this year? Michigan at home? Yeah, Iowa State would beat them AGAIN in a bowl game. Better team in September, better team now.

 

[HFCS]

ISU (and most BCS conference teams) could sleepwalk to 7 or 8 wins with Iowa's joke of a schedule. I love how tavern Hawks fall back on total wins, as if playing quite a few of the worst teams in all of FBS is exactly the same as playing ranked teams almost every week and a nine game conference schedule in the highest rated conference.