Impossible Burger

[Mr Janny]

I have had the Morningside and Boca burgers.....they are good. I don't remember either companies ever stated it was their goal to eliminate the meat industry. I think they just found a niche(vegan) in which to take advantage of and make some money. Nothing wrong with that like as you said....."there is room at the table for everyone". And just based upon that CW article it would seem the goal of this company isn't that benign. As for there not being even a remote chance...I would put up a picture of AOC smiling and waving to back that up.......but I don't want this going to the cave.

Meh, I guess I don't see it as much more than business speak.

I'm sure Coca Cola would love to eliminate PepsiCo, Burger King would love to see every McDonald's building shutter their doors, and ADIDAS wouldn't shed a tear if Nike never sold another shoe.

How many food industries have ever been completely eliminated? It's not much more than a rallying cry.

 

[capitalcityguy]

Meh, I guess I don't see it as much more than business speak.

I'm sure Coca Cola would love to eliminate PepsiCo, Burger King would love to see every McDonald's building shutter their doors, and ADIDAS wouldn't shed a tear if Nike never sold another shoe.

How many food industries have ever been completely eliminated? It's not much more than a rallying cry.

Doesn't have to be completely eliminated, to effect real people and their livelihoods...

Soon after, BPI was forced to shut three of its four plants and lay off more than 700 employees after fast food chains, supermarkets, and public schools stopped serving beef that included LFTB. The company went from producing 5 million pounds of LFTB per week to less than 2 million. The company Roth built over 30 years was hobbled in less than 30 days.

https://time.com/5978/one-year-later-the-makers-of-pink-slime-are-hanging-on-and-fighting-back/

 

[ArgentCy]

Doesn't have to be completely eliminated, to effect real people and their livelihoods...

Soon after, BPI was forced to shut three of its four plants and lay off more than 700 employees after fast food chains, supermarkets, and public schools stopped serving beef that included LFTB. The company went from producing 5 million pounds of LFTB per week to less than 2 million. The company Roth built over 30 years was hobbled in less than 30 days.

https://time.com/5978/one-year-later-the-makers-of-pink-slime-are-hanging-on-and-fighting-back/

Here's the real problem and hypocrisy. People who were horrified at the pink slime that was real food but treated with chemicals, BUT many of the same people are flocking to this fake meat which is nothing but a chemistry set.

 

[Mr Janny]

Doesn't have to be completely eliminated, to effect real people and their livelihoods...

Soon after, BPI was forced to shut three of its four plants and lay off more than 700 employees after fast food chains, supermarkets, and public schools stopped serving beef that included LFTB. The company went from producing 5 million pounds of LFTB per week to less than 2 million. The company Roth built over 30 years was hobbled in less than 30 days.

https://time.com/5978/one-year-later-the-makers-of-pink-slime-are-hanging-on-and-fighting-back/

Isn't that just the free market at work?
You're already seeing it. Tyson, Perdue, and some of the other big meat producers have been talking about it, some more overtly than others. They'll come out with their own Alt-Meat products. It's a market they want to get in on.

 

[VeloClone]

Isn't that just the free market at work?
You're already seeing it. Tyson, Perdue, and some of the other big meat producers have been talking about it, some more overtly than others. They'll come out with their own Alt-Meat products. It's a market they want to get in on.

It is the free market but it is more what happens in the free market when someone goes out of their way to paint a product in the absolute worst way possible and shout it from the rooftops including making untrue, unflattering claims about it.

As I recall ABC news paid a hefty (albeit still undisclosed) settlement to make the defamation lawsuit go away.

 

[Mr Janny]

It is the free market but it is more what happens in the free market when someone goes out of their way to paint a product in the absolute worst way possible and shout it from the rooftops including making untrue, unflattering claims about it.

As I recall ABC news paid a hefty (albeit still undisclosed) settlement to make the defamation lawsuit go away.

That actually goes to my point. If there's a market for something, and people want to buy it, so be it. For example, I can't fathom why anyone on this planet would want to drink commercially produced orange juice. The process by which it is made is disgusting, and the companies that produce it are doing everything short of lying through their teeth to convince you of it's purity and naturalness, when it's basically anything but. It's not even healthy for you. Not all that different from drinking soda. But guess what? People buy the crap out of it. There's a huge market for it. People either don't know about its true nature or don't care. That's the free market at work.

 

[capitalcityguy]

Isn't that just the free market at work?
You're already seeing it. Tyson, Perdue, and some of the other big meat producers have been talking about it, some more overtly than others. They'll come out with their own Alt-Meat products. It's a market they want to get in on.

If you accessed the link, you'd see that the ABC report started an unfair negative snowball affect across the media. I remember first time I heard the label "pink slime". I didn't even try to engage my brain....sounded bad to me immediately.

That isn't really the "free market" unless you define the free market by whatever narrative the media is pushing the loudest (regardless of accuracy).

 

[Mr Janny]

If you accessed the link, you'd see that the ABC report started an unfair negative snowball affect across the media. I remember first time I heard the label "pink slime". I didn't even try to engage my brain....sounded bad to me immediately.

That isn't really the "free market" unless you define the free market by whatever narrative the media is pushing the loudest (regardless of accuracy).

Probably true, but propaganda goes hand in hand with big business. The outlet in the case you described was a news outlet, but in the end whether it's a news report, or negative advertisement from some puppet non-profit, or an army of Twitter bots, the propaganda is part of the game. We see that apply to the Alt-Meat discussion. There are some folks who are clearly threatened by it, and are employing some of the same tactics we're talking about to decry it.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing. That's just a matter of perspective, as I see it. I'm just saying it's the way that business runs.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

There is propaganda everywhere. Look at the egg and milk industries.

 

[capitalcityguy]

Probably true, but propaganda goes hand in hand with big business. The outlet in the case you described was a news outlet, but in the end whether it's a news report, or negative advertisement from some puppet non-profit, or an army of Twitter bots, the propaganda is part of the game. We see that apply to the Alt-Meat discussion. There are some folks who are clearly threatened by it, and are employing some of the same tactics we're talking about to decry it.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing. That's just a matter of perspective, as I see it. I'm just saying it's the way that business runs.

A news outlet like ABC is not supposed to be promoting "propaganda".

This is why America's trust in "the news" is at an all time low.

 

[Entropy]

There is propaganda everywhere. Look at the egg and milk industries.

Edison used to electrocute animals using AC to promote his own DC electricity.

 

[Entropy]

A news outlet like ABC is not supposed to be promoting "propaganda".

This is why America's trust in "the news" is at an all time low.

Muckraking has a long history, particularly in US based journalism.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-brief-history-of-media-muckraking-1406330669

 

[CYEATHAWK]

Meh, I guess I don't see it as much more than business speak. I hope you are right.

I'm sure Coca Cola would love to eliminate PepsiCo, Burger King would love to see every McDonald's building shutter their doors, and ADIDAS wouldn't shed a tear if Nike never sold another shoe.
Good examples, and I understand what you are saying, and they might hold true if Impossible Foods were only going after the places you stated....

For the record, I don't think that these "Alt-Meat" products are ever going to challenge the home grill, or even at places like 5 guys and similar places.

But they are not..... "eliminating the animal farm industry".... That would be like Coca Cola with a new product stating it's their goal to eliminate the soft drink industry. And then putting a date on it. Love to see those adds from Coca Cola that state drinking soft drinks causes gas, and all that human flatulence is a major cause for global climate change.

How many food industries have ever been completely eliminated? It's not much more than a rallying cry. Maybe a rallying cry to help them be the first to eliminate a food industry?

 

[CTTB78]

... For example, I can't fathom why anyone on this planet would want to drink commercially produced orange juice. The process by which it is made is disgusting, and the companies that produce it are doing everything short of lying through
their teeth to convince you of it's purity and naturalness, when it's basically anything but.
It's not even healthy for you....

What is disgusting about the processing and what are OJ companies lying about?

 

[Mr Janny]

What is disgusting about the processing and what are OJ companies lying about?

There's lots of info out there on it. Basically, orange juice producers cultivate an image that's a lot more natural than it actually is. Orange juice is a highly processed product, that has basically all of its nutritional value stripped away. The color, the smell, and the taste is all re-added to the mix, artificially. And, from a health standpoint, it's not really that good for you. It's basically like soda with vitamin C added to it.
Here is a synopsis, but there's a bunch more literature out there

https://www.wnyc.org/story/last-chance-foods-secret-highly-processed-life-orange-juice/

 

[Mr Janny]

A news outlet like ABC is not supposed to be promoting "propaganda".

This is why America's trust in "the news" is at an all time low.

Again, I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm saying that propaganda goes hand in hand with business.

 

[CTTB78]

.... Orange juice is a highly processed product, that has basically all of its nutritional value stripped away. The color, the smell, and the taste is all re-added to the mix, artificially. And, from a health standpoint, it's not really that good for you.
It's basically like soda with vitamin C added to it......

The 'highly processed' is concentration (actually to remove H2O, not O2) and pasteurization (actually
safer from a food safety standpoint than fresh squeezed).
I've been in quite a few OJ processing plants and I've not seen this secretive ingredient addition. The FDA would be all over this is this was common place.
Have shady things happened in the juice industry. Yes. But it is not common place and to say the industry is lying to the public is not the case, IMO.

 

[Mr Janny]

The 'highly processed' is concentration (actually to remove H2O, not O2) and pasteurization (actually
safer from a food safety standpoint than fresh squeezed).
I've been in quite a few OJ processing plants and I've not seen this secretive ingredient addition. The FDA would be all over this is this was common place.
Have shady things happened in the juice industry. Yes. But it is not common place and to say the industry is lying to the public is not the case, IMO.

If you go back and look, I didn't say they were lying. They are, however, cultivating an image of a freshly picked, fruit to glass, pure, natural product, and the reality is not quite what the consumer is being sold on.

 

[CTTB78]

If you go back and look, I didn't say they were lying. They are, however, cultivating an image of a freshly picked, fruit to glass, pure, natural product, and the reality is not quite what the consumer is being sold on.

The FDA does not have any issue with OJ, concentrate or non-concentrate, being sold as natural or pure, because it is. Fruit drinks are another story.

 

[CTTB78]

The "meat" portion taste slightly different. The rest of the Whopper makes it taste like a Whopper. I wouldn't buy it again because it cost more than a real Whopper.

What was the price difference at BK?