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brett108 said:
How much is an NFL player worth then? These are guys that are being paid millions of dollars and are making more in their few years than others will make in a lifetime. Most of these players are not even literate by normal standards, and yet they are making millions. There are tons of jobs which will lead to long term negative health effects, and the league is getting safer every year. Do you think the players have the ability to market their own teams and product the way the owners and NFL had?

Come on, I saw last year that the Rooney's(Pittsburgh's owners) are worth less than every single players on that team(net worth less than a million dollars). Every one looks at the owners and says they are alright, but their worth is not coming from football. When they have to start using some of the private fortune to fund the league, it may be doable but not sustainable. These players can't even add in most cases, so I wouldn't expect them to understand a balance sheet of this magnitude. I can see the owners perspective. They basically wanted another chunk of money before the rest was divided up among the CBA. Actually working in a business, I have seen the costs rising year after year, no matter what guys like Ben Bernake are saying. The same is likely true for the NFL, and the players don't pay these, or even have anything to do with all of this. I am not saying lay down, but I think the de facto union(the fact they disbanded is a sham) will have to bend a little. That is what negotiations are for.
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Most players not literate? Most can't add? Care to supply some data to back that up, or do you prefer to dwell in hyperbole?

The top end players skew the average because their numbers are so high, but not every NFL player is a millionaire. Your average undrafted free agent is worth a lot less than Rooney. The perception is that this argument is billionaires fighting with millionaires, but not everyone falls into that category. Here's an interesting take on their side of the story:

Deadspin, Sports News without Access, Favor, or Discretion
 
Mr Janny said:
Most players not literate? Most can't add? Care to supply some data to back that up, or do you prefer to dwell in hyperbole?

The top end players skew the average because their numbers are so high, but not every NFL player is a millionaire. Your average undrafted free agent is worth a lot less than Rooney. The perception is that this argument is billionaires fighting with millionaires, but not everyone falls into that category. Here's an interesting take on their side of the story:

Deadspin, Sports News without Access, Favor, or Discretion
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Of course the illiterate term was hyperbole. But this article tells me that these players that are sitting around waiting do not have any marketable skills. Would you call them geniuses? They may want to play football. I wanted to be an astronaut, but guess what? You grow the f*** up! The fact that they haven't done this tells me everything I need to know. It is one thing to have a dream, but another to destroy your life chasing it.
 
brett108 said:
Of course the illiterate term was hyperbole. But this article tells me that these players that are sitting around waiting do not have any marketable skills. Would you call them geniuses? They may want to play football. I wanted to be an astronaut, but guess what? You grow the f*** up! The fact that they haven't done this tells me everything I need to know. It is one thing to have a dream, but another to destroy your life chasing it.
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Your astronaut analogy would be more fitting if you had actually worked as an astronaut in the last few years, and had NASA calling you on the phone saying that if Gary Sinise gets the measles, you're on deck. That's closer to what the author of that article is going through.

And regardless, whether or not these guys should be pursuing work in other industries is beside the point. This is about employees negotiating working conditions in their chosen field.
 
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brett108 said:
How much is an NFL player worth then? These are guys that are being paid millions of dollars and are making more in their few years than others will make in a lifetime. Most of these players are not even literate by normal standards, and yet they are making millions. There are tons of jobs which will lead to long term negative health effects, and the league is getting safer every year. Do you think the players have the ability to market their own teams and product the way the owners and NFL had?

Come on, I saw last year that the Rooney's(Pittsburgh's owners) are worth less than every single players on that team(net worth less than a million dollars). Every one looks at the owners and says they are alright, but their worth is not coming from football. When they have to start using some of the private fortune to fund the league, it may be doable but not sustainable. These players can't even add in most cases, so I wouldn't expect them to understand a balance sheet of this magnitude. I can see the owners perspective. They basically wanted another chunk of money before the rest was divided up among the CBA. Actually working in a business, I have seen the costs rising year after year, no matter what guys like Ben Bernake are saying. The same is likely true for the NFL, and the players don't pay these, or even have anything to do with all of this. I am not saying lay down, but I think the de facto union(the fact they disbanded is a sham) will have to bend a little. That is what negotiations are for.
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Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers and US Ambassador to Ireland, has a net worth less than Jonathan Dwyer or Emmanual Sanders? There's no way in hell I believe that.
 
CyJack13 said:
Dan Rooney, owner of the Steelers and US Ambassador to Ireland, has a net worth less than Jonathan Dwyer or Emmanual Sanders? There's no way in hell I believe that.
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Maybe it was just the cash he had on him at the time.
 
CyBroncos said:
The owners want more out of the pie because of increasing expenses and what not but then want to add two more games. Won't that extra home game if they go to 18 games help offset the increasing expenses?

The players want to stick with the current CBA, the owners are the ones wanting changes and the players to sacrifice. The owners are the rich just wanting to get richer while the players just want what's fair and be taken care of.
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The Owners can easily validate their claims of higher expenses if they would just "open the books". So far they have refused.

That makes me believe that the Owners are full of BS. Taxpayers are the ones footing bills in a lot of cases for these stadiums.
 
ISUFan22 said:
It is my understanding this paycut is creating a max or guidelines for rookies...which I fully support. The rookie salaries/contracts are completely insane.
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I'm pretty sure that's just part of the deal. The percentage of the league's total income that goes to the players would be reduced (if the owners win), which means the majority of players will be taking a pay cut.
 
brett108 said:
Of course the illiterate term was hyperbole. But this article tells me that these players that are sitting around waiting do not have any marketable skills. Would you call them geniuses? They may want to play football. I wanted to be an astronaut, but guess what? You grow the f*** up! The fact that they haven't done this tells me everything I need to know. It is one thing to have a dream, but another to destroy your life chasing it.
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Yeah, except these guys could actually do what they want to do. Your analogy isn't even close to being correct. These guys made it to the NFL and you likely didn't make it to NASA.

You talk about how the owners are the ones making the players through marketing and through the NFL but you fail to acknowledge that without these players, the NFL has nothing.

I'm sorry but in an occupation where you have an incredibly short career and a high probability of health issues down the road, I can't blame these guys, especially with the amount of money involved in the industry.
 
azepp said:
I'd like to see some proof of that, because that might be the most ludicrous statement I've ever seen. Ever.
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It was an older SI articles which requires you to sign in. A guy on the Steeler board put it up though in this thread.
Dan Rooney "poorest" NFL owner according to Sports Illustrated..

I could be reading this wrong, but in normal conotation, 150M means 150,000, which is very low net worth. They may mean million, who knows how the vaunted SI does these things, If that is the case, that part of my argument fails.
 
yaman3 said:
Yeah, except these guys could actually do what they want to do. Your analogy isn't even close to being correct. These guys made it to the NFL and you likely didn't make it to NASA.

You talk about how the owners are the ones making the players through marketing and through the NFL but you fail to acknowledge that without these players, the NFL has nothing.

I'm sorry but in an occupation where you have an incredibly short career and a high probability of health issues down the road, I can't blame these guys, especially with the amount of money involved in the industry.
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This article pretty much states that most of these guys don't make the NFL, they are simply strung along. My point is a kid with a college education, and most of these players have that, should know when to move on.
 
brett108 said:
It was an older SI articles which requires you to sign in. A guy on the Steeler board put it up though in this thread.
Dan Rooney "poorest" NFL owner according to Sports Illustrated..

I could be reading this wrong, but in normal conotation, 150M means 150,000, which is very low net worth. They may mean million, who knows how the vaunted SI does these things, If that is the case, that part of my argument fails.
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150M = 150,000?

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but you're definitely reading it wrong.
 
brett108 said:
I have some experience with shorthand. In my industryM is three zeroes. 150 million is 150 MM.
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I see, and you just assumed that Sports Illustrated, a national publication read by millions of people, is in the habit of using shorthand for their articles. Makes sense...
 
brett108 said:
It was an older SI articles which requires you to sign in. A guy on the Steeler board put it up though in this thread.
Dan Rooney "poorest" NFL owner according to Sports Illustrated..

I could be reading this wrong, but in normal conotation, 150M means 150,000, which is very low net worth. They may mean million, who knows how the vaunted SI does these things, If that is the case, that part of my argument fails.
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Really? I'm pretty sure that a normal connotation for 150,000 would be 150k. The M would always mean million.
 
brett108 said:
This article pretty much states that most of these guys don't make the NFL, they are simply strung along. My point is a kid with a college education, and most of these players have that, should know when to move on.
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But that's not who is negotiating here. The guys who don't make the NFL are a whole different discussion. We are talking about guys who made it there and make owners a pot full of money.
 
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