I mean, he's kinda right...

If they are exhibitions then they shouldn't count the games towards season records, or record stats. Nor should final rankings be impacted by results. Players also shouldn't play very hard on defense. But wait, they do count all of that. Why? Because they aren't exhibitions. The pro bowl and NBA all star game are exhibitions. The Senior Bowl is an exhibition. The Cheez-it Bowl was an actual real game. No less than the TCU game in November.
 
If they are exhibitions then they shouldn't count the games towards season records, or record stats. Nor should final rankings be impacted by results. Players also shouldn't play very hard on defense. But wait, they do count all of that. Why? Because they aren't exhibitions. The pro bowl and NBA all star game are exhibitions. The Senior Bowl is an exhibition. The Cheez-it Bowl was an actual real game. No less than the TCU game in November.
The "meaningless bowl" talk comes from ESPN and other media guys and guys on bar stools. Players like them, coaches like them, fans like them, and host cities definitely like them. Why piss in a perfectly good bowl of Cheerios?
 
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The "meaningless bowl" talk comes from ESPN

Which is funny, because the glut of bowl games is directly due to ESPN's involvement. ESPN owns bowl 16 games (having created 11 from scratch in the last two decades), and has broadcast rights for all but 3 of the rest.

So not only are a lot of these games made-for-TV, they're made-by-TV.
 
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Which is funny, because the glut of bowl games is directly due to ESPN's involvement. ESPN owns bowl 16 games (having created 11 from scratch in the last two decades), and has broadcast rights for all but 3 of the rest.

So not only are a lot of these games made-for-TV, they're made-by-TV.
Grease the skids for playoff expansion?
 
TV ratings, fans, players, and coaches suggest these games matter a lot. Other than being senior day, the Clemson game was a lot bigger than TCU. A good game against a big name opponent with tons of people watching vs a blowout against a bad team nobody cares about watched by few.
 
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TV ratings, fans, players, and coaches suggest these games matter a lot. Other than being senior day, the Clemson game was a lot bigger than TCU. A good game against a big name opponent with tons of people watching vs a blowout against a bad team nobody cares about watched by few.
Agree. Most years it’s still bigger than most other games.
 
TV ratings, fans, players, and coaches suggest these games matter a lot. Other than being senior day, the Clemson game was a lot bigger than TCU. A good game against a big name opponent with tons of people watching vs a blowout against a bad team nobody cares about watched by few.

"Tons of people" are watching because there's only one game on at a time, not 7-10 in each window like a regular football Saturday. If Minnesota/WVU or ASU/Wisconsin were played at 11:00 on a Saturday in September, they wouldn't draw beans compared to now, when there's no competition for eyeballs.
 


We're watching two rather mediocre teams (one of which is going to finish the season with a losing record) play in front of probably a rather small TV audience (that will likely grow only slightly near the end of the game) & a few thousand fans in the stands.

I know yesterday was probably a nice pay-day for Iowa State & smaller programs like us can definitely use that money, but all these bowls are getting ridiculous.

Covid doesn't help this year or last, but opt-outs, transfers, injuries & coaches leaving makes, especially these lower tier bowls, seem pretty pointless.

They even created a new bowl game this year just to make sure every six win team got to go to a bowl. Really?!

& now, at the end of this game, we're going to dump a tub of mayo on the head of a grown man who makes millions of dollars a year (likely the highest paid state employee of his respective state). That is some Idiocracy-level stuff right there...

Is this the Unibomber Manifesto?
 
Grease the skids for playoff expansion?

With increased coaching moves, the transfer portal, more opt-outs, and 2/3 of FBS already playing a 13th game thanks to the bloated bowl system, I feel like we're approaching a tipping point where:

(a) the regular season will expand to 13 games, with some of the matchups you'd normally see in a bowl game instead being played as Week 0 "classics" or the week after CCGs as part of a pre-determined H/H scheduling alliance between conferences
(b) most of the pre-12/28 bowls go away (including the made-by-TV ones that ESPN created out of thin air)
(c) whatever bowl venues are left serve as host sites for an expanded playoff system
 
"Tons of people" are watching because there's only one game on at a time, not 7-10 in each window like a regular football Saturday. If Minnesota/WVU or ASU/Wisconsin were played at 11:00 on a Saturday in September, they wouldn't draw beans compared to now, when there's no competition for eyeballs.
Same with conference championships to a large degree, yet the Pac12 and ACC still pulled in similar numbers.

Exclusive, and hence increased, exposure is a big part of why bowl games are not just any other game and good for programs.

Bowls matter a lot if applying the same standards as we would to other games. They fall short of the standard of what they meant when there was even more exclusiveness and novelty.
 


We're watching two rather mediocre teams (one of which is going to finish the season with a losing record) play in front of probably a rather small TV audience (that will likely grow only slightly near the end of the game) & a few thousand fans in the stands.

I know yesterday was probably a nice pay-day for Iowa State & smaller programs like us can definitely use that money, but all these bowls are getting ridiculous.

Covid doesn't help this year or last, but opt-outs, transfers, injuries & coaches leaving makes, especially these lower tier bowls, seem pretty pointless.

They even created a new bowl game this year just to make sure every six win team got to go to a bowl. Really?!

& now, at the end of this game, we're going to dump a tub of mayo on the head of a grown man who makes millions of dollars a year (likely the highest paid state employee of his respective state). That is some Idiocracy-level stuff right there...

If you don't like football..... I encourage you to explore alternative message boards.
 
If you don't like football..... I encourage you to explore alternative message boards.
I’m just asking questions. I understand the value of the bowls to everyone involved. I just wonder if having so many has a negative effect on the sport as a whole.
 

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