Hyperloop

HYPERLOOP to be built in 2015 NOW!

http://www.shalomlife.com/business/22694/the-first-hyperloop-will-take-place-in-israel-2015/

http://americanlivewire.com/2014-03-31-who-is-elon-musk/

The project will be the the result of a collaboration between Israel's Ministry of Transportation, Better Place, and Japanese Taigo. The loop will cost some $10 billion, and its first route will run from Tel Aviv to Eilat, in seven minutes, no less! Musk, who visited Tel Aviv a dozen times in the last two years - in his private plane- held talks with Transportation Minister Yisraeli Katz, with the Ministry of Transportation agreeing that Taigo will undertake the project due to its technological aspects.



Elon Musk rules.

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HYPERLOOP to be built in 2015 NOW!

http://www.shalomlife.com/business/22694/the-first-hyperloop-will-take-place-in-israel-2015/

http://americanlivewire.com/2014-03-31-who-is-elon-musk/

The project will be the the result of a collaboration between Israel's Ministry of Transportation, Better Place, and Japanese Taigo. The loop will cost some $10 billion, and its first route will run from Tel Aviv to Eilat, in seven minutes, no less! Musk, who visited Tel Aviv a dozen times in the last two years - in his private plane- held talks with Transportation Minister Yisraeli Katz, with the Ministry of Transportation agreeing that Taigo will undertake the project due to its technological aspects.



Elon Musk rules.




Yes. This was originally an April Fool's joke from GeekTime. We may be a few days late, but couldn't resist.
 
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New ideas for transportation need to be explored, but the hyperloop in its proposed form is hugely flawed. Some of the issues may be addressed down the road, but it may take another 10-20 years to do so. At best, it may provide another technique for freight in the short term which may be a decent accomplishment in itself. Passenger travel would take a lot of re-design I would think.

The main issues are buckling as any exposed surface area will get sun radiation on top but not below. Also due to normal expansion during different temperature days, there has to be some relief joints similar to what bridges have. The issue is, they have to simultaneously be flexible and sturdy enough to support traffic, and be at near vacuum. You can't have only bolted together straight pipes.

Running at close to vacuum levels causes an immense amount of stress to that 3 inch?wall. As it has to both endure regular pressure from the atmosphere and negative from inside. Any form of collision on a tube wall would be catastrophic. If there are any issues at all, passengers would suffocate because there would be no oxygen and no means to escape a solid tube. Any accident at the speed of 600 mph would be instant death not just to the car(s) involved, but every other car in the system. Also running any type of propeller at near vacuum would be near useless.

Even if the tube isn't at vacuum level but partially below atmosphere pressure, it would require an immense amount of energy to both achieve and maintain at the lengths proposed. That leaves doubt as to the economic projection of the incomplete plans.
 
New ideas for transportation need to be explored, but the hyperloop in its proposed form is hugely flawed. Some of the issues may be addressed down the road, but it may take another 10-20 years to do so. At best, it may provide another technique for freight in the short term which may be a decent accomplishment in itself. Passenger travel would take a lot of re-design I would think.

The main issues are buckling as any exposed surface area will get sun radiation on top but not below. Also due to normal expansion during different temperature days, there has to be some relief joints similar to what bridges have. The issue is, they have to simultaneously be flexible and sturdy enough to support traffic, and be at near vacuum. You can't have only bolted together straight pipes.

Running at close to vacuum levels causes an immense amount of stress to that 3 inch?wall. As it has to both endure regular pressure from the atmosphere and negative from inside. Any form of collision on a tube wall would be catastrophic. If there are any issues at all, passengers would suffocate because there would be no oxygen and no means to escape a solid tube. Any accident at the speed of 600 mph would be instant death not just to the car(s) involved, but every other car in the system. Also running any type of propeller at near vacuum would be near useless.

Even if the tube isn't at vacuum level but partially below atmosphere pressure, it would require an immense amount of energy to both achieve and maintain at the lengths proposed. That leaves doubt as to the economic projection of the incomplete plans.

Well that's a bit of a buzzkill.

The "Texas Triangle" hyperloop would be sweet. If you guys think traffic between Des Moines and Ames is bad... Try driving on I-35 between Dallas and San Antonio. It would be nice to get some high-speed alternatives for that region.
 
High speed mag lev trains have already been built. Seems like a more practical way to go. Would still require huge capital investment.
 
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I think and hope we'll see this and/or true high speed rail in the US in the next 10-15 years.

With self driving car technology, we'll hopefully be able to stop adding lanes to highways and starting fixing the infrastructure we have and also begin to focus on these types of technologies.
 
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New ideas for transportation need to be explored, but the hyperloop in its proposed form is hugely flawed. Some of the issues may be addressed down the road, but it may take another 10-20 years to do so. At best, it may provide another technique for freight in the short term which may be a decent accomplishment in itself. Passenger travel would take a lot of re-design I would think.

The main issues are buckling as any exposed surface area will get sun radiation on top but not below. Also due to normal expansion during different temperature days, there has to be some relief joints similar to what bridges have. The issue is, they have to simultaneously be flexible and sturdy enough to support traffic, and be at near vacuum. You can't have only bolted together straight pipes.

Running at close to vacuum levels causes an immense amount of stress to that 3 inch?wall. As it has to both endure regular pressure from the atmosphere and negative from inside. Any form of collision on a tube wall would be catastrophic. If there are any issues at all, passengers would suffocate because there would be no oxygen and no means to escape a solid tube. Any accident at the speed of 600 mph would be instant death not just to the car(s) involved, but every other car in the system. Also running any type of propeller at near vacuum would be near useless.

Even if the tube isn't at vacuum level but partially below atmosphere pressure, it would require an immense amount of energy to both achieve and maintain at the lengths proposed. That leaves doubt as to the economic projection of the incomplete plans.


They're hiring engineers like hot-cakes. Perhaps you should give them a call? Because, I want hyperloop here in KC. Haha.
 
New ideas for transportation need to be explored, but the hyperloop in its proposed form is hugely flawed. Some of the issues may be addressed down the road, but it may take another 10-20 years to do so. At best, it may provide another technique for freight in the short term which may be a decent accomplishment in itself. Passenger travel would take a lot of re-design I would think.

The main issues are buckling as any exposed surface area will get sun radiation on top but not below. Also due to normal expansion during different temperature days, there has to be some relief joints similar to what bridges have. The issue is, they have to simultaneously be flexible and sturdy enough to support traffic, and be at near vacuum. You can't have only bolted together straight pipes.

Expansion joints would allow the tube to grow and shrink. No different than, say, steam piping in a refinery.

Running at close to vacuum levels causes an immense amount of stress to that 3 inch?wall. As it has to both endure regular pressure from the atmosphere and negative from inside. Any form of collision on a tube wall would be catastrophic. If there are any issues at all, passengers would suffocate because there would be no oxygen and no means to escape a solid tube. Any accident at the speed of 600 mph would be instant death not just to the car(s) involved, but every other car in the system. Also running any type of propeller at near vacuum would be near useless.

Submarines are rated for a depth of 800 feet, which would be way more external pressure than what you'd get on a hyperloop system. Minor damage causing the tube to crumple like a beer can is preventable through competent design.

Even if the tube isn't at vacuum level but partially below atmosphere pressure, it would require an immense amount of energy to both achieve and maintain at the lengths proposed. That leaves doubt as to the economic projection of the incomplete plans.

OK, I got nothing.
 
Well that's a bit of a buzzkill.

The "Texas Triangle" hyperloop would be sweet. If you guys think traffic between Des Moines and Ames is bad... Try driving on I-35 between Dallas and San Antonio. It would be nice to get some high-speed alternatives for that region.
Done that, plenty of times. It's a mess. LA to San Diego sucks too.
 
Well that's a bit of a buzzkill.

The "Texas Triangle" hyperloop would be sweet. If you guys think traffic between Des Moines and Ames is bad... Try driving on I-35 between Dallas and San Antonio. It would be nice to get some high-speed alternatives for that region.

I'd say that is a way better spot than KC to STL. Once you get a couple hours outside of Austin, that stretch to San Antonio is awful! We end up taking the tollway around most of it, and have never been charged. We used to drive to San Antonio every summer for 6 or 7 years.
 

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