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Dingus

Dingus

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Its been repeated many times over the years that Hoiberg is an 'offensive genius' etc.

But as far as I can tell his offensive plan is pretty simple:

1. Space the floor to force the D to defend the whole floor.
2. Shoot efficient shots (3's, FT's, paint).
3. Be flexible, allow freedom, and exploit match ups.

Im sure I'm simplifying things, but shouldn't the assistants have a pretty good handle on this stuff by now? It obviously works and is a great strategy but doesn't seem that tricky.
 
The basics of it are not that tricky...what separates the good from great coaches are the ones who pinpoint exactly what is not working that night and make the adjustment at the half that's what we will be missing with Fred
 
roundball said:
$100 says you don't question Hoiberg's offensive genius if he's still our coach.
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I'll take my $100 then. I love Hoiberg as a coach and would take him back in a heartbeat, but just have never quite understood this. Hoiberg's O is great, and novel for CBB but less original in the NBA, isn't it?

Its an honest question; I'm not ripping on the guy. It just seems like Mann and TJ should be able to run a pretty darn similar offense is all.

I love watching BB but don't claim to be an expert so was just looking for insight.
 
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cyclonestans said:
The basics of it are not that tricky...what separates the good from great coaches are the ones who pinpoint exactly what is not working that night and make the adjustment at the half that's what we will be missing with Fred
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the other thing that separates the great is that the teach the fundamentals of the basic system and get buy-in from all the players. For Fred, what he seems to be especially good at teaching the fundamentals of, and getting everyone to buy in, is spacing. It's easier said than done.
 
bawbie said:
the other thing that separates the great is that the teach the fundamentals of the basic system and get buy-in from all the players. For Fred, what he seems to be especially good at teaching the fundamentals of, and getting everyone to buy in, is spacing. It's easier said than done.
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The fundamentals of defense and rebounding... Not so much.
 
"3. Be flexible, allow freedom, and exploit match ups."

I think this was the key to Hoiberg being successful at ISU (helps when you have match up nightmares like Niang, Kane, White); but he showed it even during the Oklahoma game by going 1 flat and allowing Morris to go at Cousins.
 
Dingus said:
Its been repeated many times over the years that Hoiberg is an 'offensive genius' etc.

But as far as I can tell his offensive plan is pretty simple:

1. Space the floor to force the D to defend the whole floor.
2. Shoot efficient shots (3's, FT's, paint).
3. Be flexible, allow freedom, and exploit match ups.

Im sure I'm simplifying things, but shouldn't the assistants have a pretty good handle on this stuff by now? It obviously works and is a great strategy but doesn't seem that tricky.
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Don't forget inverting the floor at the offensive end [could be considered a subset of 1-3, but I consider it tenant #4.]
 
For what its worth, Bill Self said that Fred's teams were one of the hardest he's ever had to defend. But I guess he probably doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
Hoiberg's big challenge is that Rose and Butler both want to be the Alpha-Dog on the floor. Getting them to both by in to an offense will be the big key.
 
Go take a look at Fred's scoring stats coming out of timeouts during his 5 years at Iowa State. Then tell me he isn't a good offensive coach.
 
AdamJGray said:
Go take a look at Fred's scoring stats coming out of timeouts during his 5 years at Iowa State. Then tell me he isn't a good offensive coach.
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Lot of sand in vaginas around here.

I never said he wasn't a good offensive coach (pretty much the opposite actually). My point was simply that I would expect a good coach that has worked with him for a number of years should have the system down pretty good.
 
Dingus said:
Lot of sand in vaginas around here.

I never said he wasn't a good offensive coach (pretty much the opposite actually). My point was simply that I would expect a good coach that has worked with him for a number of years should have the system down pretty good.
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My bad.

I agree with your premise that an assistant that's been around Fred should be able to keep the offense flowing like it has. Maybe not quite as smooth, but the principles should remain the same.
 
Fred's Offense looking simple may have something to do with execution. I think you need a Coach that can continue using it or something similar. It is a good identity for us. Exciting BB can attract players, and we aren't geographically in a place where we can do whatever we want and have them come here.
 
3rdGenStater said:
The fundamentals of defense and rebounding... Not so much.
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The thing about this is, when you play "small ball" trying to create mismatches for you on offense, you are more than likely sacrificing a matchup on the defensive end as well. Throw in our '4' playing 95% of the time on the perimeter and its easy to see why we struggle on the boards. It's easy to think we are just awful in those areas just looking at the numbers but when you see WHY those things happen, it makes more sense. He won a lot more games than he lost at ISU, I can only think of a handful of games in 5 years that we lost because we couldn't get stops. When Fred's teams struggled it was because they didn't hit shots, the UAB game is the glaring example. We gave up 60....60...and still lost.
 
The new coach should be able to come in and install whatever freaking offense he wants.

Fans shouldn't expect him to try to be Fred.

Fred's gone. He left after losing in the first round of the NCAA tourney.

The new guy should not try to be Fred.
 
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