Hilton sounded quiet/dead....

[Cycsk]

How about comparing last night with Coppin State? Now, that was a dead crowd. Worst I can ever recall.

I thought last night's crowd was really good at times . . . especially when we would go on a roll . . . and even with some hints of Hilton Magic when we were faltering.

Now, let's talk about the use of the video board and the cheering related to it. Last night, the cheering for Fred, Naz, and Monte was weak. We need to make a bigger deal about cheering these highlights and/or get a better pump-up video.

And please, bring back the Big 12 coaches each saying a few things. I love being able to boo Bill Self before each game. That always got the crowd into it.

 

[isufbcurt]

When I say kill Hilton Magic I'm only meaning for that short period. Why do you think other teams take a time out after a big make and the crowd goes crazy. They know their players cannot play under that pressure.

Your first three posts on CF and you went full ******. Congrats but never go full ******, especially in your first three posts.

 

[Doc]

I disagree... that's the absolute worst time to take a timeout... if you know Hilton Magic and how loud it gets you know the other team is going to take a timeout when that happens. So make them burn a timeout and if guys need rest take it before a huge make where the crowd erupts. That or take a timeout when your team is blowing an 18 point lead down their leg.

Freddy would have never taken a timeout then because he knows the power of the 6th man aka Hilton magic!

Somebody needs to let Prohm know he is killing Hilton Magic by taking a timeout after a huge play. If you think your guys need a break take the timeout before they go on defense. Just a thought.

Yeah, I think that's perfectly reasonable to think that. It would be pretty cool if somebody would go back over the last couple of years and see how the other team performed when the crowd was nuts in Hilton. That OU game would definitely push it toward the performing terribly side.

 

[cyclones12321]

When are the students back?

 

[carvers4math]

When are the students back?

Classes start Monday.

 

[TurkeyNate]

Your first three posts on CF and you went full ******. Congrats but never go full ******, especially in your first three posts.

Um ok.... Not sure what your vulgar word was but not sure my thinking is too far out there.

It's pretty obvious to me and others who have made similar observations that the called timeout after a big offensive play is affecting our crowd noise and ramping it back up once the timeout is over.

If you disagree that's fine but do me a favor during the Baylor game.

Watch the difference between when Baylor is in trouble after a big play from ISU and takes a Time Out

compared to

when we take a timeout after ISU makes a big basket.

In in the first scenario the crowd stays somewhat loud and ready to turn it on again coming out of the timeout. They typically do crank it up again.

In my second scenario it kills the mood instantly and the crowd tends to not stay loud etc. it's almost the equivalent to being at a great party everyone's favorite dance song is on and then the DJ switches it quickly to a slow song knowbody likes.

one of my favorite things about Hilton Magic is when we go nuts and it almost shocks the opponent and they come unglued and are forced to burn a timeout... That's when the crowd cranks up the noise and gets even more excited.

Anyway just my observation and obviously something that bugs me.

 

[Spam]

Doesn't help when Prohm takes a timeout after a 3 by Niang and the crown goes nuts only to be silenced by their own teams timeout! Somebody please tell him that is not the time to take a timeout! This has happened a few times now and it drives me crazy.

If you want to change the defense up call it in from the sideline but I think he will realize the other team is going to burn a timeout before we should ever think about taking one after a big dunk or 3.

The funny thing is Prohm was throwing his hands in the air last night trying to get the crowd pumped up!

Just a tip Prohm... save your timeouts when HILTON MAGIC lights up and don't kill it!

....because there is only one factor that needs to be considered when calling timeouts-- that is, how will the crowd respond to timeouts?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Andy, it sucks to see GIA emasculated. That gym was right up there with Hilton back in the day.

Yes it was. I always think about it as rowdy and am brought back to reality when I tune into a game now.

 

[cycloneworld]

When I say kill Hilton Magic I'm only meaning for that short period. Why do you think other teams take a time out after a big make and the crowd goes crazy. They know their players cannot play under that pressure.

I agree with you but Prohm has said that he likes to take a timeout after a made basket so the guys have confidence going into the huddle. Remember that Prohm has experienced the real Hilton Magic once.

I don't think its a big deal. He usually only does this right before media timeouts so there would be a stop in play at the next dead ball anyway.

 

[cyclonestunners]

It is not. It's going to likely sound no different than it did yesterday.

Thats definitely a fail on the Cyclones marketing department. How do you not make sure that these tickets are sold? If all of them aren't sold, I'll be pretty ****** Saturday.

 

[Chitowncy]

I was at the game last night for the first time since the Iowa game standing and yelling after big plays or when we needed a boost while all these "fans" near me looked at me like what the hell are you doing.....It was irritating to say the least. Get up and get loud people! I'm not in college and I can still be loud when the time calls for it so can you. Also, when that weatherman or whatever said he has been to duke and NC and Hilton is just as loud. I was just waiting for him to say but not tonight..... Thank God We Won!

Good for you, man. I feel like we're in the minority these days, at least up in my corner balcony section where the vast majority of people in my section are content to just sit on their hands and watch the action without contributing to it. I realize while reading this thread and responses to my earlier post, that some people just don't get it. Attendance is great, and I am very happy Hilton is packed, but making for a truly special environment requires more rowdiness.

Fans: if you want to make Hilton truly special all the time that requires screaming and making noise on defense and when the team is down, not just on runs. It is easy to cheer after made baskets and great plays, but the loud, deafening noise when the other team has the ball is the most effective way to influence the game.

Hilton's still an awesome venue, and for big games it is great, but it can still get better.

 

[Wesley]

If we have those refs against West Virginia, a lot of guys will be riding the pine. Might be Stu time.

Stu...Stu...Stu

 

[Clonegrad07]

Sounds like it was a good crowd, just a TV/ESPNU factor... glad to hear that the crowd was good. I recall the break games. I usually attended as a student, but few of us were there.

 

[TurkeyNate]

....because there is only one factor that needs to be considered when calling timeouts-- that is, how will the crowd respond to timeouts?

Not implying it's the only factor that needs considered at all, but out of the 20+ years I've been going to ISU games and a season ticket holder I've never seen a coach kill the crowd momentum like Prohm has using a timeout after a big play and the crowd starts to ramp up. Heck it's affecting the players momentum too!

I'm no coach just armchair QB'ing here.... Just an observation on my part. If he does it for a reason that's fine it's his team to coach but he needs to realize that it does kill crowd noise/momentum not to mention burns a TO when the other team might be thinking of taking one.

If that use of a TO is used during the KU game Bill Self will just laugh and thank Prohm for the Birthday present after the game....

 

[Cyclonepride]

Um ok.... Not sure what your vulgar word was but not sure my thinking is too far out there.

It's pretty obvious to me and others who have made similar observations that the called timeout after a big offensive play is affecting our crowd noise and ramping it back up once the timeout is over.

If you disagree that's fine but do me a favor during the Baylor game.

Watch the difference between when Baylor is in trouble after a big play from ISU and takes a Time Out

compared to

when we take a timeout after ISU makes a big basket.

In in the first scenario the crowd stays somewhat loud and ready to turn it on again coming out of the timeout. They typically do crank it up again.

In my second scenario it kills the mood instantly and the crowd tends to not stay loud etc. it's almost the equivalent to being at a great party everyone's favorite dance song is on and then the DJ switches it quickly to a slow song knowbody likes.

one of my favorite things about Hilton Magic is when we go nuts and it almost shocks the opponent and they come unglued and are forced to burn a timeout... That's when the crowd cranks up the noise and gets even more excited.

Anyway just my observation and obviously something that bugs me.

The timing of Prohm's timeouts reflect his own defensive values- I think he sees defense and getting stops as the critical factor in runs, so he calls time out after a made basket to get the guys set up for another stop. I really don't think it did anything detrimental in that game, or any other.

 

[gwoodclone]

Thats definitely a fail on the Cyclones marketing department. How do you not make sure that these tickets are sold? If all of them aren't sold, I'll be pretty ****** Saturday.

?

The Baylor game is sold out. As was Tech, and every game the rest of this season. The student section will just be general public rather than students for Saturday.

 

[CyRp2013]

I disagree... that's the absolute worst time to take a timeout... if you know Hilton Magic and how loud it gets you know the other team is going to take a timeout when that happens. So make them burn a timeout and if guys need rest take it before a huge make where the crowd erupts. That or take a timeout when your team is blowing an 18 point lead down their leg.

Freddy would have never taken a timeout then because he knows the power of the 6th man aka Hilton magic!

Somebody needs to let Prohm know he is killing Hilton Magic by taking a timeout after a huge play. If you think your guys need a break take the timeout before they go on defense. Just a thought.

Niang's 3 only put Iowa State up by 5 after a Texas Tech big had drove straight down the lane and stuffed it. With as much as the defense struggled in the second half, that timeout by no means killed a run.

 

[TurkeyNate]

Niang's 3 only put Iowa State up by 5 after a Texas Tech big had drove straight down the lane and stuffed it. With as much as the defense struggled in the second half, that timeout by no means killed a run.

It killed the crowd noise/momentum... not the run. TT got back within 2 fairly quickly after that. Watch it during the Baylor game and see what you think.

Maybe it is just me that is bugged by the use of the timeout after a big make.... off my soapbox. Thanks guys!