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Hilton Magic is Alive and Well

Hilton typically isn't loud throughout a game but always picks the right moments to get behind the team. It didn't happen last night. I've seen many games that play out like last night's game. Usually the crowd decides to plant the flag with around 8-12 minutes left to go and get loud and stay loud after any good play for at least 2 or 3 possessions. That definitely didn't happen.

I actually laughed and told my wife that the guy winning the lawn mower may actually turn the game around because that was the first time the crowd seemed excited.
 
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Cyientist said:
I actually laughed and told my wife that the guy winning the lawn mower may actually turn the game around because that was the first time the crowd seemed excited.
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Heh, fans won every contest except the game. The guy won the 3 bank shots earlier. And the Prohm Steakburger Shuffle was 2, again.
 
To further my point about the timeout useage by Prohm disrupting momentum. I went back through every home Big 12 game and the Cincy game to look for examples of calling timeouts after a made bucket. I put aside any incident that occurred when Iowa State was down inside the last three minutes. Here is what I have:

Iowa State vs. KSU after a made bucket with 7:50 to go in the 2nd half Prohm calls a timeout. Iowa State was up 56-48 and it would have a media timeout at the next deadball. Over the course of the next 2.5 minutes Kansas State goes on a 8-1 run to cut the lead to one.

Iowa State vs. West Virginia after a made bucket with 9:06 to go in the 2nd half Prohm calls a timeout. Iowa State was down 55-61 at the time. Over the next 3.5 minutes West Virginia went on a 9-0 run.

If I follow Prohm's theory he wants the players to have some positive mojo when they come into the huddle. My problem is that there is zero data that supports him using a timeout in this fashion.

I will go through the 2015-16 season tomorrow when I have a chance but honestly my eyes hurt from looking through play-by-play boxscores.
 
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It happened on the TV broadcast again last night.
The implication being that "magic" lifts an inferior team over the superior one.

Fans really being into an exciting game is really what it is.
Think of the games of the last few years, Kansas , Oklahoma, Michigan, great games with TWO great teams.

The fans push the team in those great match-ups.
 
Until this season, we had 4 season tickets starting in 1981. Great seats. It just became too difficult for us to attend games, especially with all of the 8 pm tip offs (we are both past 75)
Sadly, we do not miss going to the games in person. Guess that old been there done that comes into play. We saw it all, attended all of the conference tournaments, all but 3 NCAA games. Was in Tulsa when Jeff Grayer was a freshman, was on team charter for Sweet 16 San Antonio with Floyd's team.
Iowa State basketball was a fantastic experience for my wife and I and our friends who we traveled with. We will never forget those good times.
Stick with them, great memories are just a game away.
 
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Cyientist said:
Hilton typically isn't loud throughout a game but always picks the right moments to get behind the team. It didn't happen last night. I've seen many games that play out like last night's game. Usually the crowd decides to plant the flag with around 8-12 minutes left to go and get loud and stay loud after any good play for at least 2 or 3 possessions. That definitely didn't happen.

I actually laughed and told my wife that the guy winning the lawn mower may actually turn the game around because that was the first time the crowd seemed excited.
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Nobody beats Van Wal. Nobody. You've got to cheer when that happens.
That dude brought it.
 
Anybody who is old enough to have lived through it should know that these conversations are duplicates of what was happening during the McDermott (shudder) years.

"Why isn't this place full? Where are all the students? They should reduce the size of the student section and sell them to donors. The crowd was pathetic. Where is Hilton Magic? What is Hilton Magic? Coach is fine, just give him time, the previous staff screwed him over. Fire coach!!! I can't believe tickets are on sale for $5!"

Same. Exact. Thing.

Hilton Magic is mostly the result of having a good/great team. We're 13-9 (not very good) and thus we haven't seen much "Magic" this year.
 
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Well I'm headed to Hilton this year for the first time in a long time and have been looking forward to it. Still am.

I remember seeing Bobby Knight's team take on Tinsley and Co. in '01 as ISU was closing out a 2nd Big 12 Title. Was't even close to full but was still great to be there.

I'll agree that a time out just as things get rolling puts a halt to the groove and to the crowd. If things are going well? You keep doing what worked, and let it keep working.

Reminds me a little bit of the TCU football game two seasons ago--ISU driving by going forward/downhill, gets inside the 20 or so, and runs an old fashioned option, which was not something ISU ever did prior, fumbled to TCU in true fashion.
 
Gunnerclone said:
You're right, it's not really a thing. It's an idea. A beautiful idea. It's an identity, a meaningful identity. It's a community, something that a school that hasn't had a ton of athletic success to congregate together and feel good. Feel like a part of something that no one else can have.

Through this season and the past few seasons when we've had success, we've lost something. We've lost humility and an understanding of what it is to be an ISU fan. When the team plays, I watch, when the team plays well, I cheer. When the team plays poorly, I cheer. When someone misses a layup I don't question their entire person and their level of effort and caring. When we miss a free throw I don't think about how terrible that player must be to miss a free 15 ft shot with no one guarding them.

Everyone that is a Cyclone for life, especially the alumni and the current students need to get their heads out their azzes, stop doing their best hok fan impersonation, and cut the emo sorry for themselves woe is me BS. I know big Chiefs fans, I know Royals fans, I know pre-Super Bowl wins Broncos fans, I knew Minnesota North Stars fans and I've never, ever seen a transition from proud, self-respecting, defiant fanbase to whiny, cringe-worthy, self loathing fanbase like I've seen with the ISU basketball fanbase since Fred Hoiberg became ISU basketball coach.
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Well stated from an actual fan who is there attending the games. I am out of State now, so am a bit detached, but I agree w/ this sentiment. Good job gunner!
 
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Gunnerclone said:
You're right, it's not really a thing. It's an idea. A beautiful idea. It's an identity, a meaningful identity. It's a community, something that a school that hasn't had a ton of athletic success to congregate together and feel good. Feel like a part of something that no one else can have.

Through this season and the past few seasons when we've had success, we've lost something. We've lost humility and an understanding of what it is to be an ISU fan. When the team plays, I watch, when the team plays well, I cheer. When the team plays poorly, I cheer. When someone misses a layup I don't question their entire person and their level of effort and caring. When we miss a free throw I don't think about how terrible that player must be to miss a free 15 ft shot with no one guarding them.

Everyone that is a Cyclone for life, especially the alumni and the current students need to get their heads out their azzes, stop doing their best hok fan impersonation, and cut the emo sorry for themselves woe is me BS. I know big Chiefs fans, I know Royals fans, I know pre-Super Bowl wins Broncos fans, I knew Minnesota North Stars fans and I've never, ever seen a transition from proud, self-respecting, defiant fanbase to whiny, cringe-worthy, self loathing fanbase like I've seen with the ISU basketball fanbase since Fred Hoiberg became ISU basketball coach.
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I read that entire thing in Morgan Freeman's voice...at the end, I actually played the fight song and stood up and clapped.
 
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