Herman Gone? Some possible replacements

[jaretac]

I don't blame him for taking this opportunity...I just wish other coaches saw ISU as there dream job. It is times like these I am truly greatful for CPR.

That being said, ISU cannot achieve the same success other colleges have with thieir football program until we can retain coaches in my opinion.

I don't blame him either and I really didn't see him as one that would stick around a long time. I'm happy for him, but I'm still not convinced that there wasn't a talk between him and Rhoads at some point recently which helped move this along. We probably will never know unless TH comes out and says so, but this all still seams a little odd.

Think about it. Why would OSU come calling for our OC? We haven't finished anywhere near the top of the conference any year TH has been here. Makes me wonder if TH went looking and had a really good interview followed up by a good recommendation from Rhoads. There are some many OC that have done better than TH. This is more of a head scratchier than Chizik to Auburn.

 

[Daserop]

just read on CR that Herman is expected to coach in the bowl game. I'm not sure i'm in agreement with this. Get going to Ohio State and lets move on with who is here.

I agree with this. What is his incentive (bowl game money?) to coach in the bowl game? Why should / would Tom concentrate his efforts on ISU bowl game when he has a new job lined up?

 

[BCClone]

Definitely cleans things up for both sides. Can't blame him for going to a larger ship, at this time. Keeps from having bad blood and a peeing match happening. CPR will find a solid replacement, he hires quality, not his buddies like the two previous coaches.

 

[jaretac]

I agree with this. What is his incentive (bowl game money?) to coach in the bowl game? Why should / would Tom concentrate his efforts on ISU bowl game when he has a new job lined up?

With who? Maybe if TH coached defense I would agree because Rhoads could fill that slot for one game, but who do we have on staff that can do it? Maybe TH replacement can't start until after the bowl season himself and even if he did, could he learn the playbook? No way the players can learn a new system in less than a month.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

Consider me shocked. At a place like OSU, you can afford to be picky and go for the slam dunk hires. Not sure what they would be looking at over the past few years that would convince them that this is a slam dunk hire. Good for Tom, I guess.

I would have been a bit surprised had this news come yesterday, but as shocked and confused as I was that Herman would demote himself to QB coach, this actually makes perfect sense to me.

Herman's a literal genius. Meyer's kind of guy. Now, whether that will work out or not, we'll see, but it is most definitely a big opportunity to move to a prestige HC position.

Plus, if he can score 25 in the Big Ten, that wins more games than in the Big 12!

 

[Daserop]

I don't blame him either and I really didn't see him as one that would stick around a long time. I'm happy for him, but I'm still not convinced that there wasn't a talk between him and Rhoads at some point recently which helped move this along. We probably will never know unless TH comes out and says so, but this all still seams a little odd.

Think about it. Why would OSU come calling for our OC? We haven't finished anywhere near the top of the conference any year TH has been here. Makes me wonder if TH went looking and had a really good interview followed up by a good recommendation from Rhoads. There are some many OC that have done better than TH. This is more of a head scratchier than Chizik to Auburn.

You may have just answer my question as to why Tom would / should coach ISU in the bowl game when he his new gig to be preparing for. Maybe CPR's recommendation to OSU and Meyer helped him land the job and Tom wants to do this for CPR as a thank you?

 

[im4cyclones]

I don't blame him for taking this opportunity...I just wish other coaches saw ISU as there dream job. It is times like these I am truly greatful for CPR.

That being said, ISU cannot achieve the same success other colleges have with thieir football program until we can retain coaches in my opinion.

What programs do retain coaches? Even high profile programs lose coordinators. Chizik went from Auburn to Texas to us. Muschamp went from LSU to Auburn to Texas to Florida.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

I don't blame him either and I really didn't see him as one that would stick around a long time. I'm happy for him, but I'm still not convinced that there wasn't a talk between him and Rhoads at some point recently which helped move this along. We probably will never know unless TH comes out and says so, but this all still seams a little odd.

Think about it. Why would OSU come calling for our OC? We haven't finished anywhere near the top of the conference any year TH has been here. Makes me wonder if TH went looking and had a really good interview followed up by a good recommendation from Rhoads. There are some many OC that have done better than TH. This is more of a head scratchier than Chizik to Auburn.

Same reason OSU came calling for our Head Coach. Earl Bruce's best year here was 2 wins better than Herman.

 

[Taco]

I don't blame him either and I really didn't see him as one that would stick around a long time. I'm happy for him, but I'm still not convinced that there wasn't a talk between him and Rhoads at some point recently which helped move this along. We probably will never know unless TH comes out and says so, but this all still seams a little odd.

Think about it. Why would OSU come calling for our OC? We haven't finished anywhere near the top of the conference any year TH has been here. Makes me wonder if TH went looking and had a really good interview followed up by a good recommendation from Rhoads. There are some many OC that have done better than TH. This is more of a head scratchier than Chizik to Auburn.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Urban had a good idea of who he was hiring. He's one of the best coaches out there, and I doubt he would just hire someone as his OC who he doesn't know. I doubt that some random guy called him up and asked to interview, and Urban was so blown away that he decided to hire him on the spot.

Isn't Herman originally from Ohio? Would it be far-fetched to think that Urban, being from Ohio himself, knew Herman or knew what he could bring to the table?

 

[rebecacy]

Looks like the demotion/lateral move discussion can be put to rest. OSU's release lists him as Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach.

Tom Herman Named Ohio State Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach - OhioStateBuckeyes.com - The Official Athletic site of The Ohio State University

He landed more than just on his feet -- well good for him!! I, for one, won't miss him much.

 

[bosco]

There will still be people saying it was a bad move.

If it was for the QB position only not necessarily a bad move but a head scratcher. Now for the OC it is a no brainer.

I agree with this. What is his incentive (bowl game money?) to coach in the bowl game? Why should / would Tom concentrate his efforts on ISU bowl game when he has a new job lined up?

I applaud TH wanting to do this and CPR letting him. It is the best for the team. I think it is a testament of what kind of person TH is if he thinks he can give an honest effort and to CPR to trust him.

 

[Daserop]

What programs do retain coaches? Even high profile programs lose coordinators. Chizik went from Auburn to Texas to us. Muschamp went from LSU to Auburn to Texas to Florida.

Good point. I retract my statement.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

You may have just answer my question as to why Tom would / should coach ISU in the bowl game when he his new gig to be preparing for. Maybe CPR's recommendation to OSU and Meyer helped him land the job and Tom wants to do this for CPR as a thank you?

Or maybe because OSU is retaining a lot of staff (got a waiver for "two staffs" for the bowl game) and don't need the new guy coming in and tramping on their bowl game.

Rhoads has the benefit of retaining his OC through the bowl game (continuity for the freshman QB if nothing else) and a nice send-off, because there's been no problem between CPR and Herman, and CPR is happy with a coach who helped him win games on the road and beat Iowa and Oklahoma State.

 

[rebecacy]

I don't blame him either and I really didn't see him as one that would stick around a long time. I'm happy for him, but I'm still not convinced that there wasn't a talk between him and Rhoads at some point recently which helped move this along. We probably will never know unless TH comes out and says so, but this all still seams a little odd.

Think about it. Why would OSU come calling for our OC? We haven't finished anywhere near the top of the conference any year TH has been here. Makes me wonder if TH went looking and had a really good interview followed up by a good recommendation from Rhoads. There are some many OC that have done better than TH. This is more of a head scratchier than Chizik to Auburn.

I don't think it is a head-scratcher at all. He sure did land well however and that's best for all involved.

 

[jaretac]

Same reason OSU came calling for our Head Coach. Earl Bruce's best year here was 2 wins better than Herman.

but our success isn't because of Herman, it was the defense that has been so good while TH was at ISU. The offense has done little compared to other school. I liked TH and I think he could have got our offense good enough to compete for many bowls; still you can't argue against his numbers. Not impressive.

 

[Cycsk]

but our success isn't because of Herman, it was the defense that has been so good while TH was at ISU. The offense has done little compared to other school. I liked TH and I think he could have got our offense good enough to compete for many bowls; still you can't argue against his numbers. Not impressive.

Hard to deny TH credit when we played the entire season with brand new Division 1 QBs. How many QB coaches had only brand new players to deal with? He showed me something by just keeping these guys from not falling apart under the pressure and mistakes.

 

[gwoodclone]

Wow. Good for Tom. Can't exactly figure out why Meyer and tOSU would want him as OC...but at least the move makes more sense now.

Now, let's get Franklin. I'm going to enjoy seeing Tubs' old assistants beating up his Tech team when they come to Ames next season:yes:

 

[jaretac]

I don't think it is a head-scratcher at all. He sure did land well however and that's best for all involved.

Really? A few pages ago you said that TH was absolutely not going to be the OC at OSU. That he was pushed out here at ISU and that Franklin was going to be the new OC for us.

Right now to most people you are 0-2 (still waiting on the Franklin announcement). I'm actually supporting your stance that he was pushed out and your disagreeing? You're not helping your reputation nor giving yourself any credence to actually knowing anything.

edit- my belief that there was more behind the scenes than meets the eye has nothing to do with you saying there was. I'm pointing out there are things not adding up, given what we know.

 

[jbhtexas]

Wow. Good for Tom. Can't exactly figure out why Meyer and tOSU would want him as OC...but at least the move makes more sense now.

Let's revisit next fall and see who the head OC is at tOSU come gameday.

 

[IowaSTATCyclone]

but our success isn't because of Herman, it was the defense that has been so good while TH was at ISU. The offense has done little compared to other school. I liked TH and I think he could have got our offense good enough to compete for many bowls; still you can't argue against his numbers. Not impressive.

This is the same argument people make against Tebow. Because his stats aren't gaudy, he isn't an NFL player.

Urban Meyer doesn't go off stats, he goes off game film, and he sees the dropped balls and turnovers in the red zone. He sees something in Herman that you obviously don't.

No offense, but I'd bet on Meyer's eyes. The only thing that matters is that Herman has been a part of near 3-year streak of getting a team bowling in the toughest conference who also just happens to have three years of experience coaching against a Big Ten school. Convenient.

I understand if your argument is that he's wrong for us but right for them, maybe. But Herman is highly recognized and widely acknowledged as a possible future star. Maybe he hasn't delivered on that promise yet, but, trust me, Meyer doesn't care about the scoring stats, for a reason. If it was just a question of getting the highest scoring OC out there, he would have gone after Okie State's or Baylor's or Boise's for that matter.