**** Haws recent thoughts on Bubu Palo

[Clonefan32]

I still think the facts have to be on Bubu's side for him to air this out in civil court. He has a very competent attorney who I have no doubt knows the risk of putting this out there, and he has apparently told Bubu the reward outweighs that risk. I honestly read about two paragraphs and stopped reading. He's trying to act all super-top-secret-private-eye-detective about a document that will be public record in a few months. Who cares.

 

[Mr Janny]

Wow, did you take your jerk pill yesterday or what?

 

[jbhtexas]

I still think the facts have to be on Bubu's side for him to air this out in civil court. He has a very competent attorney who I have no doubt knows the risk of putting this out there, and he has apparently told Bubu the reward outweighs that risk. I honestly read about two paragraphs and stopped reading. He's trying to act all super-top-secret-private-eye-detective about a document that will be public record in a few months. Who cares.

Have the documents pertaining to Leath's investigation been sealed? If not, I don't really see what risk is involved in "putting this out there". Eventually, somebody is likely to file an open records request for the documents surrounding Leath's investigation, and the details will be known to all. By releasing the details in a civil trial, Palo's lawyers can try to spin the events in as favorable a light as possible.

As for your first statement, civil lawsuits are a crapshoot. Plaintiffs who appear to not have the facts on their side win all the time, as any insurance company can tell you.

 

[Clonefan32]

Have the documents pertaining to Leath's investigation been sealed? If not, I don't really see what risk is involved in "putting this out there". Eventually, somebody is likely to file an open records request for the documents surrounding Leath's investigation, and the details will be known to all. By releasing the details in a civil trial, Palo's lawyers can try to spin the events in as favorable a light as possible.

As for your first statement, civil lawsuits are a crapshoot. Plaintiffs who appear to not have the facts on their side win all the time, as any insurance company can tell you.

You have to at least admit it is pretty bold to go after the accuser in a sexual assault case. Rape is such a sensitive topic that I can't imagine wanting to attempt to vilify the supposed victim unless you feel confident about what you can prove. Right now, at least in many people's eyes, Bubu was cleared in the court of law, and many feel treated unfairly by the university. If he goes forward with a civil lawsuit and loses, I think that will shift many people's belief about Bubu that he did sexually assault her and simply got away with it.

 

[CyDude16]

I never said I was concerned with Bubu or his lawyer. The decision could have been made sooner. That's all im saying.

Then maybe bubus lawyer is the **** for agreeing to the time leath had put forward. Common sense goes a long ways.

 

[BryceC]

Wow, did you take your jerk pill yesterday or what?

I'm sorry emailing two different entities about stupid questions that can be easily answered with a google search is a waste of time, and if calling it out and mocking it makes me a jerk so be it. Although, now that you mention it it'd probably be more convenient for me to just email JP every time I have a random question about Iowa State. Probably should start doing it.

 

[CHAKAZULU]

You have to at least admit it is pretty bold to go after the accuser in a sexual assault case. Rape is such a sensitive topic that I can't imagine wanting to attempt to vilify the supposed victim unless you feel confident about what you can prove. Right now, at least in many people's eyes, Bubu was cleared in the court of law, and many feel treated unfairly by the university. If he goes forward with a civil lawsuit and loses, I think that will shift many people's belief about Bubu that he did sexually assault her and simply got away with it.

I agree with you it is pretty bold to go after the accuser in the sexual assault case unless you feel confident about what you can prove. Bubu however does not have to agree with everything(civil lawsuit) his lawyer is telling him to do. He could have kept quiet and move to Colorado State. Also, Bubu has not yet been completely cleared by the court of law. I understand the administrative law judge sided with him . The District court also sided with him by reinstating to the team. He still has one big hurdle to jump which is the judicial review trial coming in July.

 

[Wesley]

No, none of that matters. Leath was trying to sabotage the season via Bubu's scholarship. Nothing else in any of this matters.

He sure did a good job of humbling the team. There were two or three times we could have used Bubu or a replacement. We did not have a deep bench.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I'm sorry emailing two different entities about stupid questions that can be easily answered with a google search is a waste of time, and if calling it out and mocking it makes me a jerk so be it. Although, now that you mention it it'd probably be more convenient for me to just email JP every time I have a random question about Iowa State. Probably should start doing it.

2 things:

1) seems out of character for you to respond like that
2) seems a little excessive to respond to one of the nicest guys on this board that way

 

[Wesley]

I agree with you it is pretty bold to go after the accuser in the sexual assault case unless you feel confident about what you can prove. Bubu however does not have to agree with everything(civil lawsuit) his lawyer is telling him to do. He could have kept quiet and move to Colorado State. Also, Bubu has not yet been completely cleared by the court of law. I understand the administrative law judge sided with him . The District court also sided with him by reinstating to the team. He still has one big hurdle to jump which is the judicial review trial coming in July.

I thought release of the Duck Hawks article was poorly timed. Where is the journalistic integrity releasing contents of a mysterious letter drop off in the middle of a lawsuit. Is he stuping/duping as the ISU Daily?

 

[Doc]

I don't buy this mysterious letter in his mail. Mr Haws probably made this whole thing up. Call it a **** move.

The reason I think it's probably legit is that Murph and Andy opened up a letter on their show once thinking it was hate mail, but it turned out to at least included a crime report and a medical report. I thought at the time that it was Bubu related.

 

[Angie]

Hey, guys, can we all stop calling each other dicks? Thanks.

 

[BryceC]

2 things:

1) seems out of character for you to respond like that
2) seems a little excessive to respond to one of the nicest guys on this board that way

It is out of character for me probably. I don't know that guy. I abhor redundancy and wasting people's time. I find the entire exchange ridiculous. I would expect to be called out for superfluous bullcrap as well.

 

[ExCyment]

The season could have been better. The decision was a very inconsiderate thing to do to a coach. Especially a coach with the skills and success of Fred. The university should be doing everything possible to keep him here, not make things harder on him.

People like Mr. Leath who don't understand the importance of sports are part of the reason ISU athletics have been historically irrelevant. Its time for a change.

Disagree with this 100%. The school and University are much bigger than the athletic department. I know places like Penn State have this backwards, we don't need that at ISU. Yes there have been bad presidents who unnecessarily hurt ISU athletics, but this case has nothing to do with the athletic department. Everyone throwing stones has to realize that criminal or not, Bubu's actions are what led to this whole mess. I don't know exactly what he did, but I'm glad he no longer represents ISU. I'm also happy it looks like he is getting a chance at CSU.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

If I were him, I'd go by Richard.

I think Hick Daws is better.

 

[Wesley]

I think Hick Daws is better.

He may be more of a Duck.

 

[jkclone]

Disagree with this 100%. The school and University are much bigger than the athletic department. I know places like Penn State have this backwards, we don't need that at ISU. Yes there have been bad presidents who unnecessarily hurt ISU athletics, but this case has nothing to do with the athletic department. Everyone throwing stones has to realize that criminal or not, Bubu's actions are what led to this whole mess. I don't know exactly what he did, but I'm glad he no longer represents ISU. I'm also happy it looks like he is getting a chance at CSU.

The university president shouldn't be involved in decisions of athletic eligibility. If he thinks he truly needs to be then he should be involved in the athletic department process of determining eligibility. That being said the president should be allowed to take away eligibility through no extracurriculars or suspension/expulsion from the school. Even if there is truly a cause for punishment that doesn't take away the fact that the athletics was really the only thing that was targeted/punished.

 

[CycloneErik]

The university president shouldn't be involved in decisions of athletic eligibility. If he thinks he truly needs to be then he should be involved in the athletic department process of determining eligibility. That being said the president should be allowed to take away eligibility through no extracurriculars or suspension/expulsion from the school. Even if there is truly a cause for punishment that doesn't take away the fact that the athletics was really the only thing that was targeted/punished.

It was appealed to him. Without that, he was staying uninvolved.

 

[chuckd4735]

Hey, guys, can we all stop calling each other dicks? Thanks.

But thats his name...

 

[cloneswereall]

The university president shouldn't be involved in decisions of athletic eligibility. If he thinks he truly needs to be then he should be involved in the athletic department process of determining eligibility. That being said the president should be allowed to take away eligibility through no extracurriculars or suspension/expulsion from the school. Even if there is truly a cause for punishment that doesn't take away the fact that the athletics was really the only thing that was targeted/punished.

Was he involved in any other extracurriculars outside of sports? Athletic eligibility falls under extracurriculars by definition.