hawk fb program headed to the bottom

[niknud1127]

I also just want to add that UI's football program, at least surely according to UI fans (which doesn't discredit the claim may I add), is that the FB program is perennially a solid team, and historically has been. Both ISU football and basketball have not been that. The FB program has light sparks every know and again, few and far between. The basketball program was in a state of averageness/mediocrity until Hoiberg came around and turned it into what many believe to now be a future perennial powerhouse in CBB. Not just ISU fans thinking this, either, ISUBB is on the map nationally. If that can continue for a couple seasons with Prohm, it's pretty fair to say the team has arrived on the big scene. That's a fairly reasonable set of circumstances to gloat about, just ask any historic blue-blood team. One year of noted success doesn't make a program, but 3-5 straight can. And beyond that. It's not about finding success that matters, it's proving that it can be sustained. Whether it can be sustained or not here with BB will be discovered in roughly the next two seasons, but while it's here, I would imagine the loud talking about it has been earned.

Good post. I actually agree with almost everything that you said here.

 

[niknud1127]

I don't remember ever going on a Hawk site projecting anything. The amount of Hawk fans that have came out of the woodwork on here since Saturday is insane

Ironic because you spend a large majority of your time on CyFan posting in Hawkeye related threads.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

:unsure: You're using an absolute in that statement, which makes your statement very delusional. Yes, traditionally ISU is a terrible football program, however schedule has everything to do with a 4-0 start, especially for ISU. If they hit Iowa on a down year, have the right teams scheduled, KU scheduled early, etc, they could go 4-0. Looking at matchups and likely results is far less delusional than making an absolute statement, regardless of the teams and schedule.



Here is your delusion coming again. Of course Iowa fan can make comparisons in those areas. The problem is they then make said comparisons to the whole programs. Most fans will compare programs on the primary stats of league/division titles, bowl wins, BCS/playoff appearances/wins, rankings, national championships, etc. If you think tOSU wasn't impressive until Urban Meyer came there, you're very very delusional.

Do most basketball fans compare success based upon conference tournament championships and initial NCAA tourney seedings?

 

[niknud1127]

:unsure: You're using an absolute in that statement, which makes your statement very delusional. Yes, traditionally ISU is a terrible football program, however schedule has everything to do with a 4-0 start, especially for ISU. If they hit Iowa on a down year, have the right teams scheduled, KU scheduled early, etc, they could go 4-0. Looking at matchups and likely results is far less delusional than making an absolute statement, regardless of the teams and schedule.



Here is your delusion coming again. Of course Iowa fan can make comparisons in those areas. The problem is they then make said comparisons to the whole programs. Most fans will compare programs on the primary stats of league/division titles, bowl wins, BCS/playoff appearances/wins, rankings, national championships, etc. If you think tOSU wasn't impressive until Urban Meyer came there, you're very very delusional.

1. I'm using history to make my statement. How does the saying go? If you don't understand history you are doomed to repeat it or something along those lines? Historically speaking, no matter what the schedule says, it's incredibly difficult for ISU to start out the season the way people were predicting. That's all I was saying then and that's all I'm saying now. No, it's not impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely. Which in my opinion makes it delusional.

2. I don't think you're looking far enough into it. I think you're letting your bias get in the way when you're viewing these debates/comments. For instance, look at your previous post. You're trying to tie Hawk fans comments about January bowls and NFL draftees into these delusions of grandeur regarding Iowa fans claiming their on the same level as Bama or OSU overall. In reality, that's not what's being said at all. They are simply saying in those terms that they are comparable. They aren't saying they are comparable with on the field accomplishments or talent. They are saying what they are saying and often times Cyclone fans are drawing their own conclusions. Maybe the occasional moron fan is claiming Iowa is what they are not, but like I said, I've not once heard that.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Our basketball team has been back to back 3 seeds and is a top 10 preseason team this year. Iowa got ranked for the first time in 5 years and Hawk fans wanted KF fired before the season started. ISU basketball has earned the right to gloat some, Iowa still has a lot of work to do

1/3 of the things that you want to gloat about resulted in a loss to UAB and was the final game before your Golden Boy left his stepping stone for a larger picture. Makes sense to gloat about that.

 

[laminak]

Do most basketball fans compare success based upon conference tournament championships and initial NCAA tourney seedings?

I thought this was a football thread.

Yes and no. Conference tourney championshps are one of the stats (although a lower one) used along with regular season league titles, NCAA tourney appearances, NCAA tourney finishes (sweet 16s, elite 8s, final fours, national championships), and rankings.

Seedings shouldn't be bragged about post-tournament. Seedings only matter to give your team a preferable schedule to advance deeper in the tournament.

 

[CyTwins]

1/3 of the things that you want to gloat about resulted in a loss to UAB and was the final game before your Golden Boy left his stepping stone for a larger picture. Makes sense to gloat about that.

Sorry I left out the Sweet 16 appearance without one of our best players

 

[roundball]

I <3 this thread

 

[MeowingCows]

1/3 of the things that you want to gloat about resulted in a loss to UAB and was the final game before your Golden Boy left his stepping stone for a larger picture. Makes sense to gloat about that.

Something about UI's performance against Tennessee last year here.

It's all the same idea.

 

[laminak]

1. I'm using history to make my statement. How does the saying go? If you don't understand history you are doomed to repeat it or something along those lines? Historically speaking, no matter what the schedule says, it's incredibly difficult for ISU to start out the season the way people were predicting. That's all I was saying then and that's all I'm saying now. No, it's not impossible, but it's incredibly unlikely. Which in my opinion makes it delusional.

Historically Iowa was pretty bad before Hayden Fry came to Iowa. By your logic based on history, it should be delusional to think Iowa could go to several Rose Bowls. How did that turn out?

2. I don't think you're looking far enough into it. I think you're letting your bias get in the way when you're viewing these debates/comments. For instance, look at your previous post. You're trying to tie Hawk fans comments about January bowls and NFL draftees into these delusions of grandeur regarding Iowa fans claiming their on the same level as Bama or OSU overall. In reality, that's not what's being said at all. They are simply saying in those terms that they are comparable. They aren't saying they are comparable with on the field accomplishments or talent. They are saying what they are saying and often times Cyclone fans are drawing their own conclusions. Maybe the occasional moron fan is claiming Iowa is what they are not, but like I said, I've not once heard that.

I actually heard direct quotes personally or back on the ESPN boards of Iowa fans calling themselves a blue blood program, not merely just comparing those stats, however making their argument solely on those stats. Most people consider blue blood programs based on on-the-field results.

 

[Twilight]

There are like 5 blue-blood football programs in America. Iowa isn't one of them.

Iowa would fall under the category of 'perennially decent or better,' which is quite frankly what I wish the cyclones could be.

 

[bolts]

Good to know you guys are the target market for Taylor Swift tickets.

put it in a twin pack with one direction for $39.
The sheep will line up for any garbage if its in a twin pack.

 

[niknud1127]

Historically Iowa was pretty bad before Hayden Fry came to Iowa. By your logic based on history, it should be delusional to think Iowa could go to several Rose Bowls. How did that turn out?



I actually heard direct quotes personally or back on the ESPN boards of Iowa fans calling themselves a blue blood program, not merely just comparing those stats, however making their argument solely on those stats. Most people consider blue blood programs based on on-the-field results.

Historically speaking Hayden turned it around. When someone does that in Ames then making 4-0 or 5-0 predictions wouldn't be delusional!

Regarding your second point... I guess they were morons.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Since this has been ridiculed by so many here (those TERRIBLE bandwagon Hawk fans), just thought I'd bring up something that has received several likes on the FB board here

End zone isn't even close to sold out. The seats were filled because the AD did the mini packs for the first two games. We only sold about 2,200 club seats so do the math on how many were given away for the first games.

I don't have a problem with people not showing up if they're done with Rhoads. The only way to influence change is to voice displeasure and that's one way for lowly season ticket holders to make their voices heard. You don't have to donate a ton of money to have a voice.

 

[Twilight]

I desperately want D UP Clones to return to this thread. You know he lurks here every single day

 

[klamath632]

I desperately want D UP Clones to return to this thread. You know he lurks here every single day

Won't happen until some real Hawkeyes show up to post in the thread. D UP Clones is ever vigilant against the encroachment of Hawkeyes in his threads. When D UP Clones comes back, we'll know that Hawkeyes have been polluting the purity of this thread.

 

[PerkyForHerky]

Won't happen until some real Hawkeyes show up to post in the thread. D UP Clones is ever vigilant against the encroachment of Hawkeyes in his threads. When D UP Clones comes back, we'll know that Hawkeyes have been polluting the purity of this thread.

 

[clairvoyantdan]

It's a good thing the stadium capacity was expanded. Wow. 2 games for $39

http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=210398096

 

[AmesHawk]

 

[PerkyForHerky]