Haaland: The perfect storm

This team should have expected to start 4-0 conference.

The team should expect to win every game and I’m sure they do.

People looking at odds and everything else should be able to rationally look at things. OSU just lost to Rutgers on the road... it’s tough.
 
Hey at least we lost on the road and really had little reason at the end to expect a win. Here in Omaha the Greg McDermott BlueJays had a 5 point lead with 8 seconds to go and allowed the game to go to overtime and then lost. Unbelievable one in a million ending that would make a fan want to quit on this season entirely.
 
Because it's the norm. We are fans. We are not on the team. That's a difficult concept for many Cyclones fans. As long as Prohm and the team aren't accepting 5 or 6 road losses, then we're fine. All we can do as fans is show up to the games.

If we go 3-6 on the road and 9-0 at home, that's a great season by ISU standards. Damn, that KU win got people all out of whack. Went from expecting to get back in the tourney to expecting a Big 12 championship.

Very well put.

Remember when Johnny Orr went to NCAA tourney with losing conference records? Exciting times, and I'm being serious. Just getting into the tourney was fun to see, and still should be.
 
The team should expect to win every game and I’m sure they do.

People looking at odds and everything else should be able to rationally look at things. OSU just lost to Rutgers on the road... it’s tough.

#2 Michigan not exactly pouring it on a bad Illinois team.
 
Hey at least we lost on the road and really had little reason at the end to expect a win. Here in Omaha the Greg McDermott BlueJays had a 5 point lead with 8 seconds to go and allowed the game to go to overtime and then lost. Unbelievable one in a million ending that would make a fan want to quit on this season entirely.

And here I assumed that LaRon Dendy had exhausted his eligibility.
 
Competing for a Big 12 championship should still be expected with this roster and KU without Doke imo. The performance at Baylor should be improved on and be below our average output, but resembling 2000 is lofty. That team was very well coached in defense and rebounding, had two first round upperclassmen, and thus went 14-2. This team on the other hand has shown vulnerability on the boards even when at full strength, and the best wins coming under the guise of the opponents having a lot of unforced TOs.

Imo beating (KU) and competing (Baylor) with conference teams without coming close to your best means the ceiling is high, but there is still a floor. If one has any faith in the staff, expectations should be high that the former is reached.

Man as smart as you are, how have you not gotten an nba job yet?

Pop would be in awe of your basketball acumen
 
Did you read the post he was responding to, or did you just want to argue semantics? zzzzzzzzzzz

It’s all veiled and non veiled shots at the coaches, and trying to demonstrate how “knowledgeable” swarthy is.

Another one of the folks on here that is happier when the team struggles.
 
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Why are people ok with us losing 5 or 6 road games? This is not the way a winning program attacks their season.

Our team is good. And has potential to be really, really good when everything is clicking.

But even the best teams in most years lose games they shouldn't. And even though our team is good, we're not close to the best team in the NCAA this year.
 
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Yep, not going to win with four straight empty possessions in crunch time and giving up an offensive rebound off a FT.

Very disappointing loss. It's early, but this loss could easily cost us a shot at the conference title. It was there for the taking.

Can we at least wait until like the first week of February before we think anything puts the title 'there for the taking'?
 
Can we at least wait until like the first week of February before we think anything puts the title 'there for the taking'?
Well technically the conference crown is "there for the taking" before our first conference game every season - but then those pesky games get in the way.
 
Can we at least wait until like the first week of February before we think anything puts the title 'there for the taking'?


You know the answer to this. Even though you’re right, it isn’t about season perspectives at this point.
 
The issue for me is that I've seen numerous (100s?) away games where I thought the Cyclones could (or should) win and they haven't. There are some games where they have won -- and typically those seasons end up being special.

Given how Shayock, Jacobsen, Weiler-Babb have played (i.e. seasoned players), mix in Wigginton -- I had hoped for better than that loss.

Unexpected? No. Disappointing? Yes. And yes, I get that winning on the road is tough. I was just hoping this was going to be a tough team away from Hilton.
 
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The issue for me is that I've seen numerous (100s?) away games where I thought the Cyclones could (or should) win and they haven't. There are some games where they have won -- and typically those seasons end up being special.

Given how Shayock, Jacobsen, Weiler-Babb have played (i.e. seasoned players), mix in Wigginton -- I had hoped for better than that loss.

Unexpected? No. Disappointing? Yes. And yes, I get that winning on the road is tough. I was just hoping this was going to be a tough team away from Hilton.

Once Solomon, Wigginton and Lard are fully up to speed and integrated, I think that's a game we win. Or even if Lard hadn't gone out, that may have been the difference. Anyway, my point is that we may well be a much tougher out going forward than we were in that game.
 
Amazing what one game does. It’s hilarious the people who thought KU was done after their game in Hilton and it was also hilarious seeing people think that we had a chance at a conference championship and thought we have more talent than KU.

How many years in a row is it now that we’ve thought this was the year KU finally didn’t win? Been at least 5. I’ll be plenty happy with 12-6 this year.
 
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The issue for me is that I've seen numerous (100s?) away games where I thought the Cyclones could (or should) win and they haven't. There are some games where they have won -- and typically those seasons end up being special.

Given how Shayock, Jacobsen, Weiler-Babb have played (i.e. seasoned players), mix in Wigginton -- I had hoped for better than that loss.

Unexpected? No. Disappointing? Yes. And yes, I get that winning on the road is tough. I was just hoping this was going to be a tough team away from Hilton.

It might still turn into that.
 
I understand everyones feelings. I'm still pissed about the Baylor game. Doesn't mean I lower my expectations. Winners believe.

You are not on the team. You are not a winner. You are not a loser. Your expectations have no effect on wins and losses. You are a fan. You are not important.
 
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The issue for me is that I've seen numerous (100s?) away games where I thought the Cyclones could (or should) win and they haven't. There are some games where they have won -- and typically those seasons end up being special.

Given how Shayock, Jacobsen, Weiler-Babb have played (i.e. seasoned players), mix in Wigginton -- I had hoped for better than that loss.

Unexpected? No. Disappointing? Yes. And yes, I get that winning on the road is tough. I was just hoping this was going to be a tough team away from Hilton.

They've played two conference games on the road. They closed one. They let another slip away. But they showed some toughness grabbing the lead late. There's still A LOT to learn about this team.
 
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If you look at the Massey ratings for today, it basically shows us as winning 9 of our remaining games. A general consensus before the season that 21-10, 11-9 would have been a great season. They can do better, but the goal is and always has been getting back to the tourney, and that's probably going to happen barring a meltdown.
 
Most fans know it's hard to win in the road. This article just quantifies it. The issue I think some of the fans have is losing this game is a sign that this team is not a great team yet. A great team, one that is B12 Champion worthy, would have won that game.

Now I don't know how good this team is. Is it an above average team that just got hot vs KU at home, or is it a good team that stubbed its toe VS an above average team at Baylor?

Hard to tell yet. I believe that this team has the talent to be a great team that is capable of being a B12 champ but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a great team right now. It'll depend on how quickly the talent can come together. Because right now they are just a bunch of talented players trying to figure out out.
 
We were 13/25 from three against KU -- or a blistering 52.0% rate.

We scored 77.

Against Baylor, we were 7/18 from three -- another good mark of 38.9%.

We scored 70 and lost by three.

52.0% minus 38.9% is 13.1%, which is 2.358 shots across 18 shots.

Round that down to two.

So that means six points we "missed" for not shooting like we did against Kansas.

76-73 sounds much nicer, no?

Heck, looking at that, I wish we took more threes against that Baylor zone. The shots were there and we were mostly hitting them when we took them.

Even good teams lose roughly 50% of their close games. Just have to keep it going now.
 

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