Gary Indiana Trip

Cairo, Illinois has to be #1 for me.

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You'd think the city at the confluence of the Mississippi and the Ohio -- two of the country's most important waterways -- would be a great American city with a ton of history and grandeur about it.

Nope. The exact opposite of that.
Went there as it was a potential job site about 15 years ago. Kind of amazing to see. There are plenty of rural Iowa towns drying up, but Cairo is like nothing I’ve ever seen. I think it was a victim of railroads bypassing it, as well as some racial violence.
 
Went there as it was a potential job site about 15 years ago. Kind of amazing to see. There are plenty of rural Iowa towns drying up, but Cairo is like nothing I’ve ever seen. I think it was a victim of railroads bypassing it, as well as some racial violence.
There’s a book about the horrific violence
 
"Lord Spoda" channel on YouTube just did a drive through Gary a couple weeks ago. Check it out.

Place looks extrmeley depressing but is a place really that dangerous if theres nobody around anymore?

It looked like the city was pretty much abandoned of everything including people.
 
"Lord Spoda" channel on YouTube just did a drive through Gary a couple weeks ago. Check it out.

Place looks extrmeley depressing but is a place really that dangerous if theres nobody around anymore?

It looked like the city was pretty much abandoned of everything including people.

Love that channel. Of his tours, I’d say Jackson, MS was the worst place.
 
"Lord Spoda" channel on YouTube just did a drive through Gary a couple weeks ago. Check it out.

Place looks extrmeley depressing but is a place really that dangerous if theres nobody around anymore?

It looked like the city was pretty much abandoned of everything including people.
Parts are pretty much empty. It’s maybe about 40% of its peak population. As a comp on a larger scale, St Louis proper is about 35% of its peak population.
 
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Went there as it was a potential job site about 15 years ago. Kind of amazing to see. There are plenty of rural Iowa towns drying up, but Cairo is like nothing I’ve ever seen. I think it was a victim of railroads bypassing it, as well as some racial violence.
The rural decay in the eastern and southern reaches of the Midwest blows what you see in Iowa out of the water. I’ve traveled back roads in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, and Oklahoma in the last decade and they are all so much more run down than Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.
 
Newest national parks:

2022 New River George West Virginia

2019 White Sands New Mexico

2019 Indiana Dunes Indiana


Indiana Dunes getting National Park status eliminated any chance of commercial development in or near the park,....a good thing.

Do the 3 dune challenge. Earn a t-shirt.

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Wait, what about a t shirt? We hiked all 3 Dunes.
 
"Lord Spoda" channel on YouTube just did a drive through Gary a couple weeks ago. Check it out.

Place looks extrmeley depressing but is a place really that dangerous if theres nobody around anymore?

It looked like the city was pretty much abandoned of everything including people.
Not worried, I keep my wallet in my front pocket.
 
The rural decay in the eastern and southern reaches of the Midwest blows what you see in Iowa out of the water. I’ve traveled back roads in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, and Oklahoma in the last decade and they are all so much more run down than Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and the Dakotas.
For various reasons I've spent a lot of time driving through all parts of Iowa. Yes, pretty much all of the smaller rural towns are in bad shape and going downhill. But you are correct - areas of the rust belt and the south have some absolutely apocalyptic looking towns.

However, I think most of the Iowa rural towns that aren't close enough to a major population center are going get there. It's just been more of a slow bleed than an industry-shock event. Some of the still small towns, but ones of a few thousand that have enough amenities have stabilized better. While there's a lot of young people that go straight from the <1000 pop. towns to the metros, there are enough going to those small- to mid-sized towns to help a lot of them maintain population OK.

But we're going to see a lot of towns over the next 10-20 years start to completely empty out. The demographics are horrible. One thing I notice a lot in rural Iowa towns is how the school size/class sizes have plummeted in the last 20-30 years for towns that have had modest population declines. The town I went to elementary and middle school in 30 years ago there were probably close to 200 kids K-12. Now I bet there are maybe 30-40. The town itself in that time maybe lost not quite 40% of its population. The nearby larger town in the county in that time has lost about 6-7% of its population, but the class sizes are maybe half of what they were at that time.
 
For various reasons I've spent a lot of time driving through all parts of Iowa. Yes, pretty much all of the smaller rural towns are in bad shape and going downhill. But you are correct - areas of the rust belt and the south have some absolutely apocalyptic looking towns.

However, I think most of the Iowa rural towns that aren't close enough to a major population center are going get there. It's just been more of a slow bleed than an industry-shock event. Some of the still small towns, but ones of a few thousand that have enough amenities have stabilized better. While there's a lot of young people that go straight from the <1000 pop. towns to the metros, there are enough going to those small- to mid-sized towns to help a lot of them maintain population OK.

But we're going to see a lot of towns over the next 10-20 years start to completely empty out. The demographics are horrible. One thing I notice a lot in rural Iowa towns is how the school size/class sizes have plummeted in the last 20-30 years for towns that have had modest population declines. The town I went to elementary and middle school in 30 years ago there were probably close to 200 kids K-12. Now I bet there are maybe 30-40. The town itself in that time maybe lost not quite 40% of its population. The nearby larger town in the county in that time has lost about 6-7% of its population, but the class sizes are maybe half of what they were at that time.
There must be some major differences across Iowa too. Outside of my time at ISU and Drake, I’ve always lived in the farthest north tier of counties. The class sizes are essentially the same as they were when I was a kid. Most towns of more than 1,000 people has actually (barely) grown or gone sideways (which is a W if you’re grading on a curve). The smaller towns have lost population, but the people who stay maintain the properties.

This area took a big hit when the bulk of my parent’s generation left in the 80’s and 90’s. The last 30 years have been pretty stable here and it doesn’t appear to be nose diving anytime soon.

Northern Iowa is probably unique because depending on where you are, there’s either extremely productive farmland which has created generational prosperity and resulting stability, or if you’re further east you have the beauty of the Driftless area, or over west you have Okoboji, both of which draw tourism and the ensuing economic stability that brings.
 
I'll be honest with you guys, I think I'm most looking forward to the truck stop Sbarro that's been mentioned several times in this thread. There's a hankering in my stomach that just hasn't been satiated since Sbarro left Valley West Mall.
 
I'll be honest with you guys, I think I'm most looking forward to the truck stop Sbarro that's been mentioned several times in this thread. There's a hankering in my stomach that just hasn't been satiated since Sbarro left Valley West Mall.
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