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More people = greater demand for security -> that costs money
More people = more toilets used -> that costs money

That logic is so faulty it's comical.

You really think people are going to pay for hot dogs and crap if they're such cheapskates they can't spend $10 more on a ticket? Not to mention your parking #s are way off.
 
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The only way they should do a $5 ticket is if you walk up and buy it 1 hour or less before the game. Even then I'm not sure it's a good idea. Most people that will pay $5 for a game will pay a little more.

It's a bad idea because if you do that, you'll have more and more people not buying ahead of the game and waiting to buy an hour before the game when they can get a "deal". It will ultimately hurt your revenue stream and eventually the football team.

So yes in some cases empty seats are actually better than the alternative.

Why did the domestic automakers go out of business and a lot of the imports don't? Part of the reason is because the imports don't run as many "sales".
 
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lower the prices from the begining and it will creat the demand. Then as needed over the years you can adjust the price
 
lower the prices from the begining and it will creat the demand. Then as needed over the years you can adjust the price

Dumb idea. Most of the revenue generated at a football game comes from tickets sold, not concessions or anything else. We're consistently selling 47,000 rather expensive tickets...don't mess with something that ain't broken.
 
Dumb idea. Most of the revenue generated at a football game comes from tickets sold, not concessions or anything else. We're consistently selling 47,000 rather expensive tickets...don't mess with something that ain't broken.


Exactly. As long as ISU football draws more than 45,000 no matter the price, I will be happy.

I can remember a lot of other years of ISU football where there werent half that many people there to watch.
 
Exactly. As long as ISU football draws more than 45,000 no matter the price, I will be happy.

I can remember a lot of other years of ISU football where there werent half that many people there to watch.

I can too...and I'm only 20. :no: I remember games in the late 90s and boy were they not pretty.
 
I can too...and I'm only 20. :no: I remember games in the late 90s and boy were they not pretty.



I know what you mean. Im in my 20s and I have to think really hard to find games where JTS was PACKED full when Iowa, UNI or Nebraska weren't in town.

Huge numbers at ISU games are really not that realistic to expect thats why ticket price increase makes more sense.
 
Folks, this is economics and there is a curve. We are probably getting near the point of diminishig returns. We have raised prices, and now we are discounting. Thes means those who did not pay are upset and those who did and see discounts are a well.

I have my own opinions but are not really arguing either point, just a comment that we may be at that econimic point.

Lets see how many we have sold for season tickets and what our attendance is on the Thursday dame. Then we can do the "I told youso posts:
 
When it's all said and done you can buy tickets before the game (non scalper) from any ISU fan including myself who has an extra ticket or two for next to nothing. If somebody in our tailgaiting group can't make the game we will sell the ticket for half price or less to somebody wearing cardinal and gold to help a fellow cyclone brother or sister out. We do this by choice, not for the $$ to help fill the stadium and to help other people out.
 
Lets see how many we have sold for season tickets and what our attendance is on the Thursday dame.

Can't we just check the thermometer?:biglaugh:

We will never know what our season ticket sales are. Just like 2008.
 
Can't we just check the thermometer?:biglaugh:

We will never know what our season ticket sales are. Just like 2008.

Well Monty that was pretty tame response for you.:wink:

I agree. JP will keep that private. No sense giving ammunition out for detractors to shoot at him with..
 
Would you not agree with the fact that selling a seat for $5 beats not selling it at all?

We did that last year for the Missouri game -- a week or two before the game was when the promotion to pay $10 for a ticket and a free t-shirt happened.
 
So many people with such faulty logic that can't be tested.

Just because X number of additional people may come, doesn't mean they all drive seperately, eat/drink inside, etc...

Lowering the ticket price $X does not guarentee Z more people will come.

If I was JP and someone wanted a ticket for $5, I would sell it to them after the 2nd half started. If $5 is all that game is worth to you, you shouldn't get to see half or even 3/4ths of it. Yes $5 is $5, but if that's all it's worth to you, obviously you don't care enough to see most of the game.
 
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Would you not agree with the fact that selling a seat for $5 beats not selling it at all?

Sure it does, but it's not that simple. You get to a point with discounted tickets that it turns off people donating a lot more money. Then they downgrade and even though the stands are full, ISU is bringing in a LOT less. IMO we're already close to that point with discounted tickets, mini packs, etc.

My advice would be to go to a game that isn't going to have a huge crowd, like Army or probably NDSU. You're going to see a ton of people scalping (or selling on ebay)...most likely hok fans who bought for one game. You will be able to get a family of four in for around $50.

The answer is NOT lowering ticket prices. ISU's budget is low enough. IMO ISU goes above and beyond trying to provide price points that make it affordable for most people. You start offering $5 tickets and the hillside season tickets are out. The endzone season ticket holders start moving to the hillside. The mini pack and Cy's Pack people buy single game hillsides. And then you have a BUNCH of people buying those tickets and moving to the stands because they are empty. THAT'S a bad situation.
 
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.... go ahead and rip me apart.

I do not think there is a fan of a BCS program that is happy with how expensive ticket prices have become due to the arms race that is college athletics. That said I recognize that as long as I want to continue following ISU as a BCS athletic program, and expect some success, I need to pay. Unfortunately for ISU, when compared to other BCS programs, it not only faces a shortage of potential fans (local population), but also a shortage of fans willing to make the sacrifices necessary to successfully compete. Note that the most successful programs, programs with rabid fan bases, have higher ticket prices. Programs with-in states with equal/lower average household incomes have far greater ticket prices. It seems that for many of the ISU community, support of athletics does not take the same priority it does elsewhere. Some say losing is the reason…but I ask why is it ISU has not been successful (chicken or the egg)? With-in my own family I hear the complaints about too high of prices, yet they find the means to go on vacations, dine-out at least once a week, take in occasional other sports entertainment (Energy/Chops/Iowa Raceway), etc. Obviously we are all out to maximize our own benefit. If supporting ISU athletics causes a personal inefficiency towards this objective, then no one can ask you to make the sacrifice. However complaints about program performance quickly diminish in value.

Imo the concerns regarding the economics practiced by the AD are fair, yet faulty.
Now... I have absolutely no problem with the free market driving prices.... however.... if there are any empty seats or open grass on the hillsides for the NDSU or Army game... then by the definition of the market-the prices are set too high.
Imo, as others have stated, this is not true. ISU must charge seat prices that will achieve profit maximization. Since different seats are not the same product you must treat them as being in their own market (or for ease, an aggregate of neighboring markets, i.e. sections). Thankfully this allows ISU to vary prices in attempt to practice yield management (some would say price discrimination). However this, combined with price elasticity, makes the conclusion (based on having a single empty seat) of the pricing practices resulting in an inefficient market to be defective.


Later in your post it seems you change your market assumptions:
JP should not want one single empty seat or any bare grass for any home game IMO. If you can get $5 for a seat instead of that seat remaining empty... then you should get $5 for it.... So I will be waiting to see on that Thursday night if we get a full house of around 55,000 people? If not, then JP is throwing money away that he could be getting.
So if I understand correctly, you are asking JP to use price discrimination in attempt to exhaust the potential market for tickets. I bet JP would love to be able to perform this degree of yield management, however, as I am sure you are aware of, physical and emotional constraints do not allow for this. As previously mentioned, the individual seats are combined to form the market (sections or hillside). It is my understanding that there is yet a market technology in use by ticket offices that can break up the aggregate market (hillside) into each seat, and individually match each ticket to the consumers willingness to pay (for example you pay $5, I pay $5.50, another pays $7, etc). Alas, given they cannot economically articulate these individual markets, they must set a section price.

I am assuming you are aware of this, yet you still believe empty seats directly translates to ISU is not maximizing their profit. You suggest it would be better to have 8-10K on the hillsides at 10 dollars, than 2500 on the hillsides at $20. If the elasticity of demand for the hillside seats is truly that elastic, then perhaps one could argue it would be better to have an initial price of $10. Given my own experience, and the fact that ISU has years of market data available, I do not believe it is that elastic. The price of the hillsides also has a consequence on the other markets with-in JTS, which may factor into the set price.

Say JP is wrong with the $20 price, there is a forecast of only 2500 on the hillsides, and lowering hillsides will not negatively impact profit maximization elsewhere. Would you then call for price skimming to "not have a single empty seat"? Given you claim the market to be extremely elastic, I assume you are not....but perhaps you are. I am perfectly fine with JP utilizing this pricing technique, and the ticket office can physically do this over discrete times. However, as evident in 3-4 mini game-pack thread there are emotional based consequences. At best it is just a negative externality...at worst it makes enough people upset that ISU loses money.

To maximize profit, JP needs to find the price levels to just barely get enough people to fill the place if possible, but nobody more. …. Empty seats do not make you any money whatsoever.... period! In fact, every single empty seat COSTS you money that you could have potentially made.
Not true due to elasticity of demand, among other factors. There may be an opportunity cost, but it may not be possible to capitalize on it.

If the stadium is packed, then it is obviously worth it to enough people. If it is not, then it isn't... and something else needs to be done to attract people to the game. You either have to have a better product, better facilities, more entertainment, lower prices, etc?
I'm not crying in my beer about not being able to go to a game. It's not worth the cost to bring my entire family, but it doesn't really matter to me that much. However... if the hillsides are nearly empty for that first game, then I think it's too bad that my family and I couldn't have been there for half the price to cheer for my alma mater and those guys on the field. Plus, we'd pay for parking and probably a few drinks and snacks as well. But instead, JP gets nothing from me.
Whenever I have doubts about whether ISU can successfully compete in BCS athletics, it is after reading comments like those. Other schools have enough fans that will cry in their beer if they cannot attend a game, view the games as the foremost form of entertainment to bring their entire family to, and it does mean that much to them. Does ISU have enough of these fans? Instead I see ISU having a lot of fans not willing to prioritize ISU athletics in a similar manner, and some that feel vindicated by not supporting ISU athletics. I understand the product needs to get better. However starving your business of investment in protest is not how this gets done. If you own a business that is struggling to keep up with competitors because they you not have the capital that has been necessitated by the industry, do you not try to get more investments? I guess you view fans as strictly consumers, and not owners.
 
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Well I think people are beginning to think about how much they are really spending. Example: My old seats 12-8-5&6 with donation and ticket purchase cost $1,200 for six games. So do the math and you do have to count the donation into the cost of the tickets. That comes to $100 per game per seat to sit on the 13/15 yard line (depending on crowders). That’s on the cheaper end of ticket prices in the stadium. Some people are paying several hundred/ thousand dollars per seat. I could have purchased the same and surely better tickets for like $20 a seat. I know it is noble and needed to donate to the program but in the time we live in think about what you’re saying. Then relies how college sports have gotten out of control. What can we do about it, nothing.
 
No way can anyone say having less people in the seats is a better option. Empty seats don’t by parking, drinks or food. You ether take a small loss on the ticket and make it up on the rest or you just eat the ticket and get nothing (hopefully it taste good). I understand supply and demand but it’s not really that. If you discount seat people will buy them up. It’s like when something goes on sale at the store. Even if you usually don’t buy it you still will think about it just because it’s such a great deal.

The “Controlâ€
2,000 $20 Tickets=$40,000
2,000 $4 Drinks=$8,000
2,000 $3 Hot dogs=$6,000
2,000 $15 parking spaces=$30,000
Total Revenue=$84,000

The “Variable 1/3 more peopleâ€
2,650 $10 Tickets=$26,500
2,650 $4 Drinks=$10,600
2,650 $3 Hot dogs=$7,950
2,650 $15 parking spaces=$39,750
Total Revenue=$84,800

More people equals more cash and fun/ noise.

I find it interesting all 2650 people decided to drive separtely. For ******** about ticket prices so much those people really don't spend money well.
 
Heck, it costs $30-40 just to go to the movies. The buck is not worth much. The movie theaters give a 50 cent break for early matinee. Football is the same way. Million dollar coaches require lots of moolah. Airplanbe flights are not cheap. Recruiting is expensive. It is big business. Winning would make a huge difference instead of being #130 in the country.
 
I could have purchased the same and surely better tickets for like $20 a seat. I know it is noble and needed to donate to the program but in the time we live in think about what you’re saying. Then relies how college sports have gotten out of control. What can we do about it, nothing.
Are you against price discrimination?
Yes, the economy sucks for fans of ISU athletics, but any worse than fans of other programs? Is Michigan going to hand-out tickets this year? Yes they have tradition, but should ISU wait in trying to win until they have a traditon? If so, lets go to the MAC right now.
Some like to point out ISU is lowering prices/offering game packet as an indication of a failure by JP two-years ago, yet also acknowledge the state of the current economy. Do they not think the two are related? ISU lowering ticket prices has more to do with the changes in the economy than a tactical error in pricing two/three years ago imo. Besides Notre Dame, who is raising ticket prices?
 
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