Glyphosate resistance does not mean a super-weed. There are a whole set of biochemical pathways that can be desrupted to kill a weed. You are an agronimist, you know this...... let's not over react and start calling people names. Sheeesh.
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RR has made more money for corn and soybean FARMERS than any other single technology of the last 40 years and you damn well know it. The only way Monsanto/Pioneer/Dupont, etc made money is if the farmers used the products and FARMERS only use products that make them money because they are highly intelligent and excellent business men.
Resistance to Roundup (and the glyphosate compound) is what I'm talking about not superweeds. Yes, that is a misnomer because other chemistry can be used to kill those weeds. I am more than familiar herbicide chemistry.
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That is complete and utter nonsense especially when roundup skyrocketed a couple years ago. It was more convenient. You will point to the low cost of Roundup. Yeah, that's fantastic but how about the other 15-20 bucks you pay for the trait in seed? Not so cheap now is it? Across the corn belt gene insertion technology as well as insect technology has been far more profitable than roundup. BT, for a time, was much more important than roundup. Roundup does not add yield.
I agree. BTW, the next RR is already heading toward market. It affects a completely different enzyme. The possibilities with biotech are nearly endless and are an important solution to agricuture rather than a problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, as some want to knee-jerkingly make it out to be.
A grower wouldn't have to if seed companies would have continued offering the latest genetics in a conventional trait package. Instead, to get the best genetics, in most cases, you also get the RR trait so at that point you use it.
Hey thanks guys for the comments. And ya like i said I don't own the land...just curious as to how it would work.
Lol ya thats not what I would want anyway. In this hypothetical I would let the renter do what he's done for years and not interfere with that at all. But would like to learn a little about it. Would be fun to take a few year hiatus back to rural Iowa but not likely.
Is a 50/50 sharecropping beneficial for the tenant as well? Make less on the sale but in for less at the beginning? (no rent) Is it just a pain in the butt for the renter? How does that shakeout in the end on most years? (Make more or less money than straight renting)
Anywho thanks for the great answers.
Lol ya thats not what I would want anyway. In this hypothetical I would let the renter do what he's done for years and not interfere with that at all. But would like to learn a little about it. Would be fun to take a few year hiatus back to rural Iowa but not likely.
Is a 50/50 sharecropping beneficial for the tenant as well? Make less on the sale but in for less at the beginning? (no rent) Is it just a pain in the butt for the renter? How does that shakeout in the end on most years? (Make more or less money than straight renting)
Anywho thanks for the great answers.
This. Crop share (50/50) worked well for our family because my uncle and my mom made it work.
With the cash renting situation my mom makes more money, has less risk, but loses some tax advantages. Overall, renting is better for her due to stability.
For my uncle, we don't charge him a high rent price so that offsets him taking on the entire risk himself. He has the potential to make even more money than before.
So in my above scenario....what could each party expect to net in a year? (150 acres splitting all "costs") Land in cedar county averages 179 bushels /acre. That's about all I know. What would reasonable "costs" be an acre to split? Would it be wise to figure half corn and half beans in rotation to give you a good "any year" estimate?
I think the best thing I have going for me is that I realize I know absolutely nothing about this!
And thanks again guys I really appreciate the info!
I think the best thing I have going for me is that I realize I know absolutely nothing about this!
And thanks again guys I really appreciate the info!
Here is my two cents.
Just because you buy a farm doesnt mean that is the last dollar you need to spend on that farm. It takes money over time to keep a farm up and nice. Any time you have a farm agreement with a farmer have a contract on it, dont do a handshake verbal contract. As a a farmer I have a hard time cleaning up the mess left by others. Yes over time I will work at it to make the farm better but its not something I get excited about doing when there are other things I need to take care of, that happen on my watch.
Someone mentioned coustom farming, there are a lot of bad coustom farming jobs out there. When a guy does do coustom work guess whos stuff gets done last and maybe in not so great conditions. You also have to know a bit about farming to make this work right. The costs to plant a crop isnt cheap either and you also have to maket the grain. You also have to keep things looking nice if you want them to look nice.
We have some 50/50 agreements they work well for the most part. But keep in mind the farmer is going to farm it his way and there will always be bills to pay and grain to market. Ours are 50/50 inputs and grain we provide the labor for the crop. We also keep new trees cut and everything mowed up.
Renting it out is a good way to go you get a check twice a year and you can go look at the crop at anytime and dont have to worry about crop inputs or selling grain. You also can brag about your land and how much rent you are getting. Again the farmer should keep new trees cut and everything mowed up looking nice. Flex lease is also a way to go that is a way to get paid more if the yields and market does good and you dont have any crop input costs.
Just because you buy a farm doesnt mean that is the last dollar you need to spend on that farm. It takes money over time to keep a farm up and nice. Any time you have a farm agreement with a farmer have a contract on it, dont do a handshake verbal contract. As a a farmer I have a hard time cleaning up the mess left by others. Yes over time I will work at it to make the farm better but its not something I get excited about doing when there are other things I need to take care of, that happen on my watch.
Someone mentioned coustom farming, there are a lot of bad coustom farming jobs out there. When a guy does do coustom work guess whos stuff gets done last and maybe in not so great conditions. You also have to know a bit about farming to make this work right. The costs to plant a crop isnt cheap either and you also have to maket the grain. You also have to keep things looking nice if you want them to look nice.
We have some 50/50 agreements they work well for the most part. But keep in mind the farmer is going to farm it his way and there will always be bills to pay and grain to market. Ours are 50/50 inputs and grain we provide the labor for the crop. We also keep new trees cut and everything mowed up.
Renting it out is a good way to go you get a check twice a year and you can go look at the crop at anytime and dont have to worry about crop inputs or selling grain. You also can brag about your land and how much rent you are getting. Again the farmer should keep new trees cut and everything mowed up looking nice. Flex lease is also a way to go that is a way to get paid more if the yields and market does good and you dont have any crop input costs.
It depends on the price and the yield and what input costs are. There is a lot to go into how much you are going to make. If you have 25000 Bu of corn and the market moves $1.00 thats a lot of money. If the price of fert doubles your input costs could go up $50 to $80 an acre. It is a big risk.
Oh of course I figured it's highly variable. I didn't know if there was a number that farmers used to estimate their cost per acre per year. Say one for corn..one for beans...etc.
Thats the great thing about farming. You never really have a handle on anything until it is bought or sold.