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Fab Five Documentary

That was a really good show. Really amazing how much talent they had on that team. I had a friend in high school that played against Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Ray Jackson, Jimmy King, and Juwan Howard in an AAU basketball tourney in Oklahoma City. To this day he still says that Chris Weber was the most dominate player he's ever seen. I was too young to be in their age group during that tourney but was able to watch and it was like I was watching a dunk contest rather than a game. Those guys beat everyone that tourney by 30+ points and weren't even breaking a sweat.
 
el tornado said:
did they touch on the scandal with the Detroit booster who had a lot influence with them attending Michigan? It also led to the eventual firing of Steve Fisher and the team's probation. It was the same Detroit booster who knew Raveling when he was at Iowa and helped the Hawks land a lot of Michigan talent in the 80s.
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Probably glossed over that when it really is their legacy.
 
Jalen Rose: "I hated Duke. Duke didn't recruit players like me. I felt that Duke only recruited black players that were...Uncle Toms." WTF?
 
i really enjoyed that a lot and learned a lot. didn't know Howard was still playing in the NBA(i dont follow NBA much) and didn't realize steve fisher was SDSU's coach.

was also cool to see that Jimmy King and Ray Jackson are doing some cool things after basketball.
 
el tornado said:
did they touch on the scandal with the Detroit booster who had a lot influence with them attending Michigan? It also led to the eventual firing of Steve Fisher and the team's probation. It was the same Detroit booster who knew Raveling when he was at Iowa and helped the Hawks land a lot of Michigan talent in the 80s.
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Yes, all of that was touched on in the last 30 minutes.
 
Tornado man said:
Jalen Rose: "I hated Duke. Duke didn't recruit players like me. I felt that Duke only recruited black players that were...Uncle Toms." WTF?
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Out of context, it looks really bad.....but if you're watching the show, you can at least understand where "he" is coming from.
 
Tornado man said:
Jalen Rose: "I hated Duke. Duke didn't recruit players like me. I felt that Duke only recruited black players that were...Uncle Toms." WTF?
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Did you actually watch the documentary, or did you just go grab that quote from a site?

In the doc, it's pretty clear exactly what he's talking about, since he goes into great detail about Grant Hill, how his parents were wealthy, and that Grant Hill had a great childhood, while he grew up eating "mayonnaise sandwiches". He specifically talked about how he was bitter that Grant had a pro athlete for a father, and that Jalen's father, while also a pro athlete, was completely absent from his life, and he didn't even know him.
 
Tornado man said:
Jalen Rose: "I hated Duke. Duke didn't recruit players like me. I felt that Duke only recruited black players that were...Uncle Toms." WTF?
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It sounded bad, but I thought it was really kind of honest of him to admit.
 
sodakjoe said:
Did you actually watch the documentary, or did you just go grab that quote from a site?

In the doc, it's pretty clear exactly what he's talking about, since he goes into great detail about Grant Hill, how his parents were wealthy, and that Grant Hill had a great childhood, while he grew up eating "mayonnaise sandwiches". He specifically talked about how he was bitter that Grant had a pro athlete for a father, and that Jalen's father, while also a pro athlete, was completely absent from his life, and he didn't even know him.
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I'm watching the show for the second time tonight, thank you.
Nice attempt at a rationalization, but Rose didn't just call Grant Hill an "Uncle Tom" - he used that generalization for all Duke black players. How does he know what they're like? Also, does coming from a stable, well-off family with two parents (like Hill) make you "'less black," and Rose "more black?"
Calling another black man an Uncle Tom is about as bad as it gets. A primitive, pathetic generalization by Rose.
 
jsb said:
This is fascinating. I had it in my head that the Fab 5 were together for only that 1 year.

I hope our basketball players appreciate their trip to Italy more than they did :)
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Thats funny I had thought the same. I thought the infamous time out was there freshman year, and than C Webb bolted.
 
Tornado man said:
I'm watching the show for the second time tonight, thank you.
Nice attempt at a rationalization, but Rose didn't just call Grant Hill an "Uncle Tom" - he used that generalization for all Duke black players. How does he know what they're like? Also, does coming from a stable, well-off family with two parents (like Hill) make you "'less black," and Rose "more black?"
Calling another black man an Uncle Tom is about as bad as it gets. A primitive, pathetic generalization by Rose.
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He said that is what he thought at the time. I don't think he said that is how he feels now. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

I really can't judge him because I have no idea what is like to be black either from a well-off family or from a poor family. I can, however, understand that it is a complicated situation that I can't possibly understand.
 
Tornado man said:
I'm watching the show for the second time tonight, thank you.
Nice attempt at a rationalization, but Rose didn't just call Grant Hill an "Uncle Tom" - he used that generalization for all Duke black players. How does he know what they're like? Also, does coming from a stable, well-off family with two parents (like Hill) make you "'less black," and Rose "more black?"
Calling another black man an Uncle Tom is about as bad as it gets. A primitive, pathetic generalization by Rose.
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You watched twice and still don't get it.
 
That was very interesting stuff. Seeing Jalen Rose on ESPN now you'd have no idea that he grew up in the ghetto and was part of the "hip-hop revolution" that the Fab Five was involved in. The big take away point for me is that the Fab Five seems to beginning of institutions being willing to completely pimp out their athletes for revenue. It seems like with the Fab Five college basketball became big money business. I loved the story behind the black socks and the plain blue t-shirts.
 
Clonefan32 said:
That was very interesting stuff. Seeing Jalen Rose on ESPN now you'd have no idea that he grew up in the ghetto and was part of the "hip-hop revolution" that the Fab Five was involved in. The big take away point for me is that the Fab Five seems to beginning of institutions being willing to completely pimp out their athletes for revenue. It seems like with the Fab Five college basketball became big money business. I loved the story behind the black socks and the plain blue t-shirts.
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The numbers they put up on merchandise royalties was mind blowing. The year before them (or their freshman year, I can't remember) ~$1.6 million for Michigan. The next two years together was >$10 million in merchandise royalties.
 
Tornado man said:
Here's a tip: do a google search. Apparently, there are columnists -who are black - and critical of Rose's comments, that "don't get it" either...
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You have to admit it would be hard to name more than 5 Duke players that come from a background similar to Jalen Rose's. **** Vitale mentioned it the other night and could only rattle off two names: Corey Maggette and William Avery. I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with any more names than that. I respect Rose's honesty, even if he choice of words could have been better thought out.
 
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