Who would take right now?
I would take ejim every day of the week he has way more potential than wasabe.
I would take ejim every day of the week he has way more potential than wasabe.
Ejim or Basabe
- Thread starter mitchforcy
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Both good. Would love to have Basabe. I would choose Ejim though, probably my own bias. They seem pretty even
I haven't seen that much of Basabe, and I'm generally hesitant to buy anything any Hawk fan says about any of their players. I have seen Ejim though. I realize he's only a freshman, but I haven't been terribly impressed. Some nights he's aggressive, attacks the basket, rebounds, generally looks like an exciting player. And then a lot of times in conference, he's looked indecisive or scared, and when he does go to the basket he's not big enough to finish yet and throws up some circus garbage. All part of being an undersized freshman, I know, but I'm not all that impressed with his decision making or effort sometimes.
Basabe on the otherhand has been the only div. 1 player on his team in some games. He's being asked to do more than Ejim is. I hope Ejim turns into the player some Cyclone fans think he is, I think he will get there, he's a good fit for the system, with exciting athleticism, but right now give me Basabe.
Basabe on the otherhand has been the only div. 1 player on his team in some games. He's being asked to do more than Ejim is. I hope Ejim turns into the player some Cyclone fans think he is, I think he will get there, he's a good fit for the system, with exciting athleticism, but right now give me Basabe.
Basabe: 10.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 72% FT, and 24 min/game
Ejim: 10.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, .2 bpg, 70% FT, and 29 min/game
Basabe averages more rebounds, blocks, better free throw percentage, and fewer minutes per game than Ejim.
Ejim: 10.8 ppg, 6.9 rpg, .2 bpg, 70% FT, and 29 min/game
Basabe averages more rebounds, blocks, better free throw percentage, and fewer minutes per game than Ejim.
Maybe it's because I'm a guy who looks at "big picture" stuff, but it looks like they are essentially the same player.
They are very similar. I just wanted to actually see their stats lined up, and when they're compared, it would be hard to pick one over the other. For me though, Basabe has been a monster shot-blocker, as well as a 6-time double-double guy. I think the ceiling for both of these players are pretty high.
ISU has also played better competition (conference). Also, I really don't see how anyone can say that either is a better player based on the stats. They're damn near identical minus the blocks per game. For the record, I'd take Ejim if for no other reason than he's a Cyclone and I personally think he's got the higher ceiling.
Iowa's SOS: 43
ISU's SOS: 133
Big Ten RPI - #2
Big 12 RPI - #4
I personally think Basabe has the higher ceiling. But, what do we know, we're just fans hoping the players on our favorite teams do the best.
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Why are 3pt %, assists, and steals, conveniently left out of that comparison? Also, ejim is playing out of position.
I assume that means that Ejim has been playing the 3? I apologize if I'm mistaken with that.
Basabe hasn't even taken a 3 (he can hit the 18' jumper though), because he's not playing out of position. He doesn't have many assists, I'll grant you that. And he doesn't have many steals, either (but that is expected when you're in the paint and not playing on the perimeter).
Blocks may not be a fair comparison either if Ejim hasn't been playing in the paint.
What a stupid thread. The only reason they are even playing the same position is because we have nobody else to play the 4. Comparing their stats is pointless. Ejim and Basabe will both be very good.
CycloneErik
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Basabe has had more games where he made a very visible impact.
As a freshman, it seems to me like he's played better.
Give Melvin a chance to play in position with experience, and he'll do better than this year.
So my answer is a copout, and I'm sticking with it.
As a freshman, it seems to me like he's played better.
Give Melvin a chance to play in position with experience, and he'll do better than this year.
So my answer is a copout, and I'm sticking with it.
This year I would have taken Basabe only because we need someone on the inside that can do something when we can't work out an open shot. Over all, I definitely Melvin. I think those stats are such a tiny portion of the big picture.
I'd be more interested in seeing the off. efficiency numbers, but even that isn't a very big part of the picture. Melvin right now is 4 or 5 or 6th option. If he has the ball it usually means the seniors aren't able to get the ball where it needs to be. Inherently he's going to struggle with forcing something in that situation.
I'm sure you like Basabe, and I think he will be a very good player. I just think that stats don't really tell the picture when the situations are so completely different. We almost never have a play designed to look at Melvin as the primary option right now. Often He's bailing the off. out when he is asked to do something.
Basabe, should really be Iowa's 2nd or 3rd option and even sometimes the first. Its more a reflection of the quality around them. Basabe, might be Iowas best player already by the end of the year. Melvin will not be that for ISU this year. But head to head this year I'd say they are about as evenly matched as you get.
I'd be more interested in seeing the off. efficiency numbers, but even that isn't a very big part of the picture. Melvin right now is 4 or 5 or 6th option. If he has the ball it usually means the seniors aren't able to get the ball where it needs to be. Inherently he's going to struggle with forcing something in that situation.
I'm sure you like Basabe, and I think he will be a very good player. I just think that stats don't really tell the picture when the situations are so completely different. We almost never have a play designed to look at Melvin as the primary option right now. Often He's bailing the off. out when he is asked to do something.
Basabe, should really be Iowa's 2nd or 3rd option and even sometimes the first. Its more a reflection of the quality around them. Basabe, might be Iowas best player already by the end of the year. Melvin will not be that for ISU this year. But head to head this year I'd say they are about as evenly matched as you get.
Like Ejim, Basabe has shown he is inconsistent. Like today vs Minn, 4ts, 4reb, fouled out. Both will be very good, but both are inconsistent. Life as a college freshman on bad teams.
Ehh, they are not the same player.
Melvin is more skilled, I think that is obvious. He will also be a two before he is done here for his professional future. But next year when he plays the 3, we will get a truer indication of his talent. I see flashes of Jeff Grayer, but I also see flashes of a timid freshman. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, I am sure.
Basabe is an undersized 4, who needs to improve his skillset. He is physical, and makes up for his lack of height with athleticism. As he improves his skill level. he should become a very good player for the hawks. He will need to move out to the 3 for his professional future as well. At 6'7, he just isn't tall enough to play inside in the Big 10, or at the next level.
I think at the end of the day, the only certainty is that both coaches would take the other's freshman in a New York second.
Melvin is more skilled, I think that is obvious. He will also be a two before he is done here for his professional future. But next year when he plays the 3, we will get a truer indication of his talent. I see flashes of Jeff Grayer, but I also see flashes of a timid freshman. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, I am sure.
Basabe is an undersized 4, who needs to improve his skillset. He is physical, and makes up for his lack of height with athleticism. As he improves his skill level. he should become a very good player for the hawks. He will need to move out to the 3 for his professional future as well. At 6'7, he just isn't tall enough to play inside in the Big 10, or at the next level.
I think at the end of the day, the only certainty is that both coaches would take the other's freshman in a New York second.
I agree. Iowa definitely tries to utilize Basabe as a primary option more often than ISU does with Melvin. Along with that though, teams in the Big Ten have definitely looked to stop Basabe first and foremost for Iowa. He now sees double teams, etc from just about everyone Iowa plays. The encouraging thing for Basabe is that he continues to put up decent numbers while receving a lot of attention.
Minnesota is just a terrible matchup for Iowa when they start Sampson, Mbakwe and Iverson (6'10", 6'8" and 6'10"). Mbakwe is a handful for anyone and I believe he will play in the NBA.