The Oklahoma teams Bruce faced would have physically violated the Oklahoma teams of this Era.
Do you want Campbell gone?
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if the story i was told is true, Ohio State didn't snag him. We gave him to them. Supposedly Bruce told Iowa State he would stay if they bumped his pay and the AD pretty much packed Bruce's bags for Ohio State.
According to Althon our current roster is 43rd in the Power 5 schools which I assume is ahead of most of the Group of 5 schools https://athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-college-footballs-rosters-2023
Interestingly enough that puts us square in the middle of the current Big XII : https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-12-football-ranking-rosters-2023
Obviously there is a wide age demographic on this site but you can tell there are a lot of posters who were not around to witness how frickin bad we were in the 80s and 90s, and 2000-2005. I remember playing a MAC school in Ames and punting on 3rd down multiple times because our O- line was getting whipped so badly.
I haven't read any of the posts in this thread. I am writing my initial response to the OP's question so hopefully I can be forgiven if I repeat some of you.
I don't want Campbell gone any more than I wanted McCarney or Rhoads gone.
I just would like it if ISU could consistently win 8-10 games a year -- pull off an upset or two -- and be competitive in the 2-4 games they do lose. McCarney and Rhoads got the program to a certain level but couldn't maintain it.
Last year was a step back for Campbell's program. Hopefully those "backward steps" do not continue
I don't want Campbell gone any more than I wanted McCarney or Rhoads gone.
I just would like it if ISU could consistently win 8-10 games a year -- pull off an upset or two -- and be competitive in the 2-4 games they do lose. McCarney and Rhoads got the program to a certain level but couldn't maintain it.
Last year was a step back for Campbell's program. Hopefully those "backward steps" do not continue
The idea that you're supposed to have a static opinion about a team that never changes no matter what happens is the most unfathomably stupid thing I can imagine. And yet people hold other fans to this standard over and over.
ISU looked really, really bad at times for the first quarter of the season. Now they don't. Circumstances change, and people's opinions change with it. That I'm pleased with their performance against TCU in no way changes how inexcusable that Ohio game was or that Campbell embarrassed himself in the aftermath of that game.
If that doesn't pass some idiot's loyalty test, to hell with him.
8-10 wins?
I'm in the 7ish wins, occasional down year like last year, occasional catch lightning for 9-10 (one of which has never happened).
This doesn't mean I'm a failure at life (some posters have equated the two which is pathetic--by the way--whar @jereisb?) but general success for some team/school I cheer for is good enough.
I think this is a completely reasonable expectation
Not static but a people going scorched earth is just as stupid.
There is a reasonable criticism, and then there is idiotic
That goes both ways. Isn’t it equally stupid to make declarative statements like “we won’t beat another team this season”, “we’ll finish 1-11”, and “fire Campbell” without recognizing that those circumstances can and will change over time?
It’s not a matter of loyalty, it’s a matter of not falling into the reactionary wills of your feelings
'We're going to lose by 40' in a 7-7 game while the defense started getting settled in and the offense was moving the ball should have been an all timer this past Saturday.
It's like in basketball when it's either '2-0 start to conference, looking like the conference champions!' to 'this team doesn't deserve an NIT bid' after a tough stretch when the metrics show the exact opposite.
I don't disagree, but you have to remember that it wasn't just a game or two people were reacting to. There was the huge failure of 2021 and the lesser failure but still pretty big disappointment of 2022. The trajectory was already bad and Ohio was as bleak a moment as there had been in a long time.
Fan sentiment swings just as wildly and irrationally after wins, especially big ones.
Definitely. And Kansas and K-State were beyond bad. Add in 4 cupcake non-conference games. Bruce had a brand new stadium in 1975.
I think this really underestimates how poor facilities and support was at the competition too for Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Kansas and others back then. Just a totally different time and I think Campbell would have been just fine and Bruce would have done well now.
I will use this year's schedule as an example and to clarify my post.
Realistically, at the start of this season, I thought there was a good possibility ISU would have 7-8 wins. One of those wins was of course to Ohio. I also thought Iowa was a winnable game at the beginning of the season.
With six games left, Iowa State will have to win 4 of the last 6 to get to seven wins.
I would hope that seven wins would be the absolute floor for Iowa State. It is not out of the relm of possibility that ISU could pull off an upset or two as well. That is how I got to 8-10 wins.
But losing to Ohio hurts, as was losing to Iowa.
The in-game hot takes during basketball will never not be funny to me. The runs and mayhem is why basketball is such a fun game.
It very much is a matter of loyalty to some people. They'll dumb your every post, sometimes weeks after the fact, if you don't believe hard enough.
I agree that it's silly to make statements like "we won't beat another team this season," because people can't predict the future. But maybe I interpret those differently than most, because I assume people generally mean we won't beat another team "if we play like we did today."
If they didn't get better after Ohio, they might not have won another game. But they did. The people angry then weren't wrong, and the people happy now aren't wrong. I fit both of those descriptions myself.
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