**** daylight savings
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Keep in mind, if we stay with DST year round, in winter, this would be sun rise at 8:37 and sunset at 5:47.
Staying with Standard time, in the summer, this would be sunrise at 4:37am, and sunset at 7:55pm.
Staying with one or the other sounds much worse to me than having to adjust my clocks and adjusting my sleep to it, that takes about 2 days to get used to, if that. People just blow it out of proportion how much it really affects their sleep. I mean how many people stay up an hour later or more on the weekends, but still manage to adjust by Tuesday...Every week.
| Wed, Dec 20 | 7:06:57 am | 7:37:02 am | 4:47:03 pm | 5:17:08 pm | 09:10:01 | 12:12:03 pm | 6:31 am | 5:52 pm | 5:57 am | 6:26 pm |
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Staying with Standard time, in the summer, this would be sunrise at 4:37am, and sunset at 7:55pm.
| Tue, Jun 20 | 5:04:13 am | 5:37:02 am | 8:55:07 pm | 9:27:56 pm | 15:18:05 | 1:16:04 pm | 4:19 am | 10:12 pm | 3:25 am | 11:06 pm |
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Staying with one or the other sounds much worse to me than having to adjust my clocks and adjusting my sleep to it, that takes about 2 days to get used to, if that. People just blow it out of proportion how much it really affects their sleep. I mean how many people stay up an hour later or more on the weekends, but still manage to adjust by Tuesday...Every week.
Sunshine @ 5:45 pm on the shortest day of the year??!! SIGN ME UP ALL DAY!
It's not "saving" either one. Regardless of when the sun comes up, the amount of daylight remains the same on a given day.
Especially when a lot of people are up when the sun is rising and when it is setting in December. So they are experiencing the same amount of sunlight
Problem is sunrise, not until 8:30ish. And like I said this is worse for those even further north.
They call it Savings Daylight because it is about saving Useful daylight.
In a traditional 8-5 work day, which is what traditionally has been the most important to have daylight during, the clock adjusts to make those "working hours" daylight. And because the daylight shortens at a different amount in the morning and night, as it relates to those hours, we move our clocks to "Save Daylight" during the working hours.
Amazing that Arizona has never experienced this devastating loss of "Useful daylight". However do they survive?
But most of us don't work outside\on farms anymore.
Thus it becomes valuable to 'save' as much daylight as possible into times people can actually use it, in the evening.
Again AZ is MUCH closer to the equator, the shift in daylight hours is not as major.
For instance most of the Caribbean/Mexico has nearly 12 hours of daylight per day, year round and the daylight hours do not change much through the year.
This is Phoenix, with them not changing clocks. They nearly an hour more of daylight in winter, than us. And their on standard time year round. If they went to DST year round then sunrise would be close to 830 for them too, but they stick with standard because they get light before 730, and sunset not until near 530 because of that extra hour.
| Wed, Dec 20 | 7:00:20 am | 7:26:25 am | 5:25:21 pm | 5:51:26 pm | 09:58:56 | 12:25:53 pm | 6:29 am | 6:22 pm | 5:58 am | 6:52 pm |
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Hmm, So you think only farmers work outside?
I worked outside every day my entire career, which had nothing to do with Agriculture.
A lot more people work outside than you think.
But most don't. Which is what I said. A "\" is often the same as "or"
The reason they original had saving in the title was saving items like candles, oil and electricity that were used while people were generally awake but it was dark and they needed artificial light. It was never intended to mean they were saving daylight.
Also if you work 8-5, which is still probably the most common working hours overall. By the time you get home it is still dark regardless, and not too many people are having a picnic in their back yard in January after work, at least around here anyway.
I would love to know what people will do with all those extra MINUTES of daylight after work...in January.
For those that are in favor of staying in DST year round, a popular concern I hear A LOT is kids getting to school. It would be pitch black when the bus stops at kids house and kids driving to school in the dark. No idea how big of a deal this would be but it's the biggest concern I hear
Having people driving home pre sunset can be a big deal versus after sunset. On my commute home there is probably one in every 20 or 25 drivers who can't figure out that if it is dark enough for the street lights to come on, it is dark enough that they should have their headlights on. Automatic driving lights on cars make this even worse since they see a little light coming out of the front of their car but they have absolutely no tail lights on.
I seem to remember going to school in the dark even with standard time so I always find this the most overblown concern out there.
My kid has the catch the bus at 0640 in Minnesota so it is pretty much dark when he catches the bus for most of the school year.
And even with that a lot of those that dont work outdoors, dont want their kids to be going to school in the dark.
Right now the majority if not most kids, especially grade school, go to school between 730-8, and come home between 330-4. With the clock change it ensures those kids, go and return in the daylight all year. By keeping DST it guarantees that those kids are going to school for about 2 months in the dark.
To some it is not a big deal, especially for those without kids, but for a lot it is, then you add the outdoor workers and it is a pretty large amount of the population.
And I dont think anyone wants to stay with standard time here, and lose an hour at night in the summer, while having sunrise at 430 am.