CPR would never hire Mangino because of the way he treats players. NEVER. I'd give 10-1 odds that Mangino will not be on ISU sideline while CPR is coach.
Dana Holgerson for ISU OC
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CPR would never hire Mangino because of the way he treats players. NEVER. I'd give 10-1 odds that Mangino will not be on ISU sideline while CPR is coach.
This has always intrigued me as well. I first read about it in the book "Scorecasting". I'd never seen this video though, so thanks for posting it.
Although I'm sure a college head coach would be run out of town if he ever did this, it nonetheless is quite intriguing. The statistics bear out that it works, as does this team's record. But that just goes to show you how entrenched we are in our ways I guess that nobody will ever probably try this.
There is a lesson to be learned from this method though for Rhoads, and that is, you play to win the game and score points. Conservative BS will get you nowhere. Trust your kids. Let them make plays.
That is one way to look at it and quite possibly accurate. However, Mark Mangino got a big head (and belly) and his ego got the best of him. I don't think he deserves a life sentence for it. Look at Mike Leach who is already Coaching at the BCS level. By all accounts, Mangino has gone to his roots to sort his health and attitude out.
Working with Coach Rhoads may be a good opportunity for Mark to see how to treat and teach players positively, and he can teach Rhoads what a BCS level Offense is like. I am not saying he is just a plug in answer to all of our needs, but he can Coach at this level. He will not be outsmarted by EVERY Defensive Coordinator in our league.
The big question is are we ready/able to commit the money to pay for top flight assistants for CPR. That is how we will be competitive. Pollard is a CPA and understands getting value out of a dollar, but revenue is going to decrease unless we address the salaries of the Coaching staff and increase them to increase talent and productivity.
It is absolutely imperative to this program to get an Offensive staff that can upgrade recruiting and Coaching. I don't think anyone is debating that.
My question is this.... why can't we afford to go out and get a hot shot OC? In the thread about whether or not we should leave the Big 12, poster after poster commented about how ISU makes 20 million a year by being in the Big 12, where in most conferences it's around a million.
AND... we constantly fill our stadium week after week too. Lots of teams, like TT and Baylor, can't even do that.
Point is, we MUST have enough money to do what it takes, right? Who cares about the SEZ, let's win games first.
AND... we constantly fill our stadium week after week too. Lots of teams, like TT and Baylor, can't even do that.
Point is, we MUST have enough money to do what it takes, right? Who cares about the SEZ, let's win games first.
What exactly are you saying here? And how the f*** does Jonathan Martin make it into a thread about whatever point you are trying to make.
For all of the donors and season ticket holders who have stepped up with the increased prices etc. this is an excellent question. i'm not a big donor, so i just take my medicine and wonder.
I want Greg Peterson from Tulsa. In 2012, Tulsa's offense ranked 28th nationally for total offense (492.6 ypg) with Cody freaking Green. You can see how good his offense could be if he had a half way decent QB and WR that could catch balls. You can also tell he knows what he is seeing on the field from a defense and how to counter.
I'm telling ya. This is the guy we need.
29 years of collegiate coaching experience
Bowl Games as a Coach
1994 Aloha Bowl (Kansas State)
1995 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
1996 Cotton Bowl (Kansas State)
1997 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State)
1998 Alamo Bowl (Kansas State)
1999 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
2000 Cotton Bowl (Kansas State)
2001 Insight.com Bowl (Kansas State)
2002 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
2004 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State)
2008 New Mexico Bowl (Colorado State)
2011 Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl (Tulsa)
I'm telling ya. This is the guy we need.
29 years of collegiate coaching experience
Bowl Games as a Coach
1994 Aloha Bowl (Kansas State)
1995 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
1996 Cotton Bowl (Kansas State)
1997 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State)
1998 Alamo Bowl (Kansas State)
1999 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
2000 Cotton Bowl (Kansas State)
2001 Insight.com Bowl (Kansas State)
2002 Holiday Bowl (Kansas State)
2004 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State)
2008 New Mexico Bowl (Colorado State)
2011 Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl (Tulsa)
You very well could be right, but I doubt if it would go over that well if we hired the OC from the ONLY team we could actually beat this year. How ironic would that be? That would be a Cyclone type move though. Hey, let's go hire the OC from the only team in the country worse than we are. Ouch.
I like either Schramm or Monken, the others no thank you. Especially either of the Indiana guys, they are awful, and have been for a while.
Holgorsen didn't undermine anyone. He was to take over as head coach the following year and Bill Stewart approached a former Pittsburgh Post Gazette writer to "dig up dirt" on Holgorsen. If someone wants to hire Dana as OC they might want to remember that he made $1 million a year as an OC. Is ISU willing to pay that? Doubt it.
Seriously, people do not understand that, while Herman has the same job title at OSU that he had here, he doesn't have the same job responsibilities. Urban Meyer is running that offense, not Herman.
Rumor has it that CPR had more say in the 'O' at ISU than Urban does at THE OSU. Part of our problem.
I believe ISU should go in the direction of Auburn with the triple option veer. With everybody and their brother running some form of the spread the triple option gives defenses something they don't see very often.
An additional benefit is the weather in Ames which impacts passing. When Richardson lost his job he was trying to pass with the typical Northwest Iowa wind blowing, not that Rhoads took that into account. Let the opponent try to pass in cold and wind, ISU should be running the triple option.
An additional benefit is the weather in Ames which impacts passing. When Richardson lost his job he was trying to pass with the typical Northwest Iowa wind blowing, not that Rhoads took that into account. Let the opponent try to pass in cold and wind, ISU should be running the triple option.
I like the fact that this guy has coached for Bill Schneider the best college coach I have ever seen.
This probably wouldn't be a popular option but how about testing the high school coaching ranks in Texas? Art Briles has been pretty good. Maybe he could bring us a Big 12 quarterback too!
This probably wouldn't be a popular option but how about testing the high school coaching ranks in Texas? Art Briles has been pretty good. Maybe he could bring us a Big 12 quarterback too!
I don't understand this line of thinking at all. He has been in the Big 12 for years and he's an Iowa native.
Mess should work for a lot less next year.
This is the most OSU has scored over a three game stretch.
Why are they awful? Their offense has been good this year without having great talent, not to mention Wilson was OC when Northwestern started using the spread and has experience at Oklahoma, while Littrell does have the background with Leach to consider.
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