*^% damn Peiople

[hoopitup]

So you are saying fans can expect good things to happen in Year 5? That the program should be on the upswing?

Ideally, yes. But, at the same time, be realistic. An upswing at an Alabama, for example, following several "down" years, is not the same as an upswing here in terms of wins/losses. We are young and inexperienced with an OL that has been plagued big time by injuries. And I don't disagree that play calling seems likes it has been an issue all year. But I also am not trying to pretend to have all the answers and call for firings and changes. I'm not a college footba coach and can't make statements about the program as it seems some in here think they are in that position.

We're all passionate about ISU and want success but you must be realistic too. This type of thing is going to happen at times to ISU just like I fully expect us to sniff 8-9 wins every so often. The first season with a ton of adversity and people want CPR gone. Come on.

 

[CloneDontCare]

Only in sports will you see so much support for paying someone millions of dollars for not doing their job. Stubborn loyalty and pride won't get you wins.

I am, however, happy with CPR keeping his job for next year if significant staffing changes are made. But it's not crazy to call for his job just because our fanbase is unusually content with failure. This is season five.

 

[Cyhart]

There are two camps of people: those who want Rhoads fired, and those who are perfectly content with this year. There is no in between.

Thats as false as can be. Myself and many others are in the "between".

 

[LutherBlue]

With or without staff changes, if next year resembles this year, CPR is toast. I'm not optimistic as we are missing the talent we need to turn this around. The world's best coaches can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. Bad recruiting for years has doomed CPR.

My worry is that the recruiting is no worse than it's ever been, if you go by the rankings. Have Rhoads' classes been much worse than Geno's or Dan's? In fact, we were told that talent was at an all time high (although I was never convinced of that -- how could anyone know?). Yet the quality of play has been as bad as it's ever been.

Rhoads will keep his job, as he should. But what we're seeing this year should be setting off alarms in a big way even for the hard core sunshine pumpers.

 

[Gnomeborg]

Can't speak for everyone, only myself.

I completely support CPR and ADJP, with the glaring exception of Mess as OC. I fully support all players, and no one should call them out.

I'm replying for honest conversation. I do agree, for the most part, with your statement. I support CPR and JP whole heartedly. But I do think that the offense, regardless of OC, has been CPR's biggest weakness. We're in year 5 and Offensive Coordinator 2. This is the offense that CPR said he wanted, and this is the offense that CPR has continued to want. In year 5, this is the offense he wants. At least, he wants this offense more than he wants to entertain the idea of a different style of offense. I support him, I don't think you fire him or put him on the hot seat or whatever, but he needs to change his thinking on offense. What he wants and is hiring for is not working. He needs to show a willingness to adapt.

 

[Wesley]

4 years of ineptitude? You would describe the first 4 years of Rhoads' tenure with the word ineptitude? I guess you forget about where we were when Rhoads took over Chizik or where we were when Chiz took over for Mac. I guess you forgot that we were competing in either the best or 2nd best conference in the country (along with SEC) with inferior talent compared to other Big XII schools. And while we finished near the bottom each year, I saw improvements in the program. Facilities improved and recruiting classes have gotten better. Let's be honest, we should have beaten WVU last year. Woody's fumble is still mind-blowing and we had a shot vs. KSU. We had almost zero margin for error allowable to win games not only this year but last year as well.

How do you know the kids are being overworked? It's blind statements like this that fall right in line with what my original post was. Too many people making blind statements and blanket statements - fire this guy, fire that guy, etc... SR has been called out on here. The OL has taken a beating on here.

Am I saying no complaining or questioning of things? No. I'm saying some people need watch what they post and really think about how firing CPR at the end of the year would impact things. Seems drastic to me. We don't have to all hold hands and be happy about the season. I'm just sick of seeing the same posts about this guy sucks, this guy needs to go, here is what I would do, the OL stinks, etc...

Never until this year have we had this type of season or reaction under or to CPR. WHen we do, this is how some people are reacting. Don't tell me not to talk down to people...I'm not. I'm voicing my opinion without throwing everything about the program under the bus.

We are seeing the warehouses of inepitude this year. It use to be one or two positions, but now it is the whole team. It is like the team caught the flu the last three weeks. Two weeks with a TD to our name does not inspire the confidence of the team.

 

[Dryburn]

Personally, I don't want to see CPR gone. However, I do think as fans we have to get over this attitude of acceptance of mediocrity too.

I've been a fan of ISU since the mid 60's. Over the years fans have heard that a better, bigger stadium was needed, we had to have bigger donations, better coaches salaries were needed, and finally better training facilities were needed for ISU to compete. An indoor practice facility was needed. An academic center was needed for recruiting purposes. Well......ISU now has all those things. The fans have fulfilled their part of the bargain, imho. Yet, ISU is still not competing well in the Big 12. So now what? Will filling in the SEZ help? Come on people....something is wrong here.

We all want ISU to succeed, and 90 percent if not all of us would be happy to see CPR be the coach that does that......but it's not happening. Hell, it took the OC until the 3rd game to figure out that Wimberly was a pretty damned good running back, even though the entire rest of the U.S. already knew that! In the first 2 games that ISU lost....Wimberly had a TOTAL of 10 carries! But he averaged nearly 5 yards per carry! Now, most of us are not BCS school OC's, but I would bet most of us would know to give a JUCO All-American running back more than 10 carries in the first 2 games! Duh.

Yes, the team has had a lot of injuries, but be serious. This team lost the first game of the season to UNI before there were many injuries. Plus, every team has injuries. What is clear is that even though this is the 5th year of the program, there is no depth.......yet our head coach told us at the start of the year that this was his most talented team! If that is true.......I don't know what else to say about it.

In the past, one could say it is too hard to win at ISU. I don't think that is valid any more as an argument. Ames and ISU should not be a tough sell. ISU is a good sized school and a good academic school. Great fan support. Good and very good facilities. Great competition in the Big 12. Ames is one of the best college towns in the country, and one of the best places to live in the U.S. according to surveys and studies. So what is missing?

If ISU can't do it, how the hell do teams like Fresno State, Boise State, Northern Illinois, Baylor and K-State do it? Have you ever been to Fresno people? I have. I have even worked events there. Seriously....it is the ******* raisin capitol of the world! Manhattan, Kansas? Boise? Blue turf? Come on people!

As fans, we have to stop accepting and expecting the mediocrity of this program. We have given them the tools they asked from us....all they asked for.....now they have to come through.....no excuses!

 

[norcalcy]

Personally, I don't want to see CPR gone. However, I do think as fans we have to get over this attitude of acceptance of mediocrity too.

I've been a fan of ISU since the mid 60's. Over the years fans have heard that a better, bigger stadium was needed, we had to have bigger donations, better coaches salaries were needed, and finally better training facilities were needed for ISU to compete. Well......ISU now has all those things. The fans have fulfilled their part of the bargain, imho. Yet, ISU is still not competing well in the Big 12. So now what? Will filling in the SEZ help? Come on people....something is wrong here. We all want ISU to succeed, and 90 percent if not all of us would be happy to see CPR be the coach that does that......but it's not happening.

Yes, the team has had a lot of injuries, but be serious. This team lost the first game of the season to UNI before there were many injuries. Plus, every team has injuries. What is clear is that even though this is the 5th year of the program, there is no depth.......yet our head coach told us at the start of the year that this was his most talented team! If that is true.......I don't know what else to say about it.

In the past, one could say it is too hard to win at ISU. I don't think that is valid any more as an argument. Ames and ISU should not be a tough sell. ISU is a good sized school and a good academic school. Great fan support. Great competition in the Big 12. Ames is one of the best college towns in the country, and one of the best places to live in the U.S. according to surveys and studies. So what is missing?

If ISU can't do it, how the hell do teams like Fresno State, Boise State, Northern Illinois, Baylor and K-State do it? Have you ever been to Fresno people? Seriously....it is the ******* raisin capitol of the world! Manhattan, Kansas? Boise? Blue turf? Come on people!

As fans, we have to stop accepting and expecting the mediocrity of this program. We have given them the tools they asked from us....all they asked for.....now they have to come through.....no excuses!

I would add to this that almost every game is on national TV. There's also conference revenue sharing and many more fans and alums putting disposable income into the program than existed 25 years ago. We've got to get past this "hard to win here" mantra and continue to work on our strengths. I give this AD major props for good management of the dept. and I still like this head coach. We are going to have to step it up in the hiring of good assistants. That probably means taking a hard look at job position descriptions and organization of the staff (what are best practices of dynamic offenses at peer programs). We don't need a SEZ right now. We need to take whatever $$$ we have and start scouring the market for qualified assistant coaches (especially on the offensive side of the ball) that fit the program.

 

[dualthreat]

This makes me realize why most coaches show little to no emotion after victories. They know that as soon as things go bad, the fans will turn their backs to him immediately.

 

[Rabbuk]

Or they don't want to be known as the crazy guy in press conferences that can't put a decent product on the field.

 

[JUKEBOX]

Personally, I don't want to see CPR gone. However, I do think as fans we have to get over this attitude of acceptance of mediocrity too.

I've been a fan of ISU since the mid 60's. Over the years fans have heard that a better, bigger stadium was needed, we had to have bigger donations, better coaches salaries were needed, and finally better training facilities were needed for ISU to compete. An indoor practice facility was needed. An academic center was needed for recruiting purposes. Well......ISU now has all those things. The fans have fulfilled their part of the bargain, imho. Yet, ISU is still not competing well in the Big 12. So now what? Will filling in the SEZ help? Come on people....something is wrong here.

We all want ISU to succeed, and 90 percent if not all of us would be happy to see CPR be the coach that does that......but it's not happening. Hell, it took the OC until the 3rd game to figure out that Wimberly was a pretty damned good running back, even though the entire rest of the U.S. already knew that! In the first 2 games that ISU lost....Wimberly had a TOTAL of 10 carries! But he averaged nearly 5 yards per carry! Now, most of us are not BCS school OC's, but I would bet most of us would know to give a JUCO All-American running back more than 10 carries in the first 2 games! Duh.

Yes, the team has had a lot of injuries, but be serious. This team lost the first game of the season to UNI before there were many injuries. Plus, every team has injuries. What is clear is that even though this is the 5th year of the program, there is no depth.......yet our head coach told us at the start of the year that this was his most talented team! If that is true.......I don't know what else to say about it.

In the past, one could say it is too hard to win at ISU. I don't think that is valid any more as an argument. Ames and ISU should not be a tough sell. ISU is a good sized school and a good academic school. Great fan support. Good and very good facilities. Great competition in the Big 12. Ames is one of the best college towns in the country, and one of the best places to live in the U.S. according to surveys and studies. So what is missing?

If ISU can't do it, how the hell do teams like Fresno State, Boise State, Northern Illinois, Baylor and K-State do it? Have you ever been to Fresno people? I have. I have even worked events there. Seriously....it is the ******* raisin capitol of the world! Manhattan, Kansas? Boise? Blue turf? Come on people!

As fans, we have to stop accepting and expecting the mediocrity of this program. We have given them the tools they asked from us....all they asked for.....now they have to come through.....no excuses!

Amen.

 

[scyclonekid]

I support the players, CPR some of the staff and Jp. We know they know where the problems are and changes will happen.

 

[ShopTalk]

Am I the only one who hears Metallica's Blackened and Unforgiven playing in the background reading the rants?

 

[00clone]

Thats as false as can be. Myself and many others are in the "between".

That's where I'm at as well. Maybe like those basketball posters we should from a group, get a lofty sounding name for it, and put stuff in our signatures.

wink:

 

[hoopitup]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not okay with this type of season. However, you have to be realistic too. I've stated in other threads if this were to continue into next year, then changes may need to be made. But as far as saying people are okay with this season, is a mistake. I think the difference is some people want to jump immediately to "fire this guy" or "fire that guy" whereas the only point I am making is to not jump to drastic conclusions - the grass is not always greener and plus everybody knows (including CPR) that changes need to occur. This seems to happen every week. I'm confident he's the man for the job but he is going to have to prove it next year.

 

[JUKEBOX]

I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not okay with this type of season. However, you have to be realistic too. I've stated in other threads if this were to continue into next year, then changes may need to be made. But as far as saying people are okay with this season, is a mistake. I think the difference is some people want to jump immediately to "fire this guy" or "fire that guy" whereas the only point I am making is to not jump to drastic conclusions - the grass is not always greener and plus everybody knows (including CPR) that changes need to occur. This seems to happen every week. I'm confident he's the man for the job but he is going to have to prove it next year.

I don't think it is so much of a drastic reaction. I thought we underperformed a lot last season. I came into this season with reasonable expectations (6 wins).

I don't know if we can "fire" CPR because of his contract, but he deserves a lot of heat--especially for not firing Mess last season or during this season (I don't care what CPR's philosophy is regarding mid-season fires. It worked for Texas. He is putting his friendship with Mess above the fans, players, and program.)

 

[weR138]

Some of you need a serious dose of reality or a life. Since our struggles, I've read about firing Rhoads, firing the entire staff, everything from questioning Pollard to firing Pollard, calling out players, etc...the list goes on and on. I swear some of the fan base on here has not a clue about our situation. You are acting worse than Huskerfan or Longhornfan. At least these fan bases didn't ***** and moan at the first sign of adversity under Pelini or Brown following their success.

For the first time in Rhoads tenure we are not going to win at least 5 games and you are ready to break this program down, allow for a coaching change at the top and are ready to lose recruits and current players. All of these would set the program back 3-4 years, most likely. Some of you have no idea how to be a fan or handle adversity, which tells me your kneejerk reaction to fire or replace the AD, HC or entire coaching staff is probably the worst thing that can happen.

Chill the **** out and get a dam grip.

U mad bro?

 

[00clone]

I don't think it is so much of a drastic reaction. I thought we underperformed a lot last season. I came into this season with reasonable expectations (6 wins).

I don't know if we can "fire" CPR because of his contract, but he deserves a lot of heat--especially for not firing Mess last season or during this season (I don't care what CPR's philosophy is regarding mid-season fires. It worked for Texas. He is putting his friendship with Mess above the fans, players, and program.)

I keep hearing people talk about CPR and Mess' 'friendship'...is there any actual evidence that they're friends beyond guys who work together? I work with lots of people I'm not friends with. I mean I think with Chizik, there were histories that went way back, but Mess is from W'loo and went to UNI and near as I can tell, has no coaching history with CPR. Do I not know some history there?

 

[hoopitup]

U mad bro?

Nothin' but love for ya

 

[ISU42]

I keep hearing people talk about CPR and Mess' 'friendship'...is there any actual evidence that they're friends beyond guys who work together? I work with lots of people I'm not friends with. I mean I think with Chizik, there were histories that went way back, but Mess is from W'loo and went to UNI and near as I can tell, has no coaching history with CPR. Do I not know some history there?

I think it's one of those things that got said once and posters ran with it as fact. You see it a lot on here especially in conference expansion threads.