Culture or luck?

Are you sure you are immune?

Even the Moderna and Pfizer shots are only 90% effective. The J&J in the 70%'s.

So my understanding is people who refuse to get vaccine increase chance for those vaccinated who don't have immunity to get Covid.

I have rcvd Covid shot, but if a of going to ISU football or basketball games this fall is still a scary prospect. Not so much for me, but for older family members I interact with.

I would have no issue with proof of vaccination being required to attend large gatherings like sporting events, concerts, etc.

So far real world evidence has shown way higher protection than 90% for all of those.

Showing some great results vs. hospitalization and deaths.

The 'immunity' isn't a plastic bubble of protection.
 
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Covid aside, I really enjoyed the partial crowds at Iowa State games last year that I attended (Texas Tech, @ Kansas and West Virginia). I love going to games in person, being outside, etc., and the partial football crowds were fine by me. I was masked and felt safe. Not sure how safe I will feel with a full crowd, even masked and vaxxed.

Yeah I miss the craziness of home crowds and all that even on TV. Tailgating and such and the atmosphere is overall great and is a huge part of all of it.

I just didn't miss partaking is all.

I'd love it if there's full crowds this fall. It would mean some good things have happened or continued to happen.
 
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I wish I could have your approach... sometimes I just feel like I’m missing out if I’m not right in the mix of everything (nothing ever happens BTW).

That’s cool on your end. I’d like it some days!

So FOMO is really a thing? :)

It's gonna get better.
 
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Nothing wrong with this... but is that for every day life... Sporting Events, Church, Stores, Concerts, Fairs, Farmers Markets, etc.??
"Nothing wrong with this..." Just who the **** do you think you are? You think he needs your approval? Or what if he wanted.to avoid crowds for a reason you consider "wrong"? Get over yourself, asshat.
 
"Nothing wrong with this..." Just who the **** do you think you are? You think he needs your approval? Or what if he wanted.to avoid crowds for a reason you consider "wrong"? Get over yourself, asshat.

It's a legit question. Those are typical things people do.

I get weird looks when I say I enjoy social distancing after they realize I'm not kidding.
 
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It's a legit question. Those are typical things people do.

I get weird looks when I say I enjoy social distancing after they realize I'm not kidding.
The question is fine. But you sure as hell dont need him to tell you whether your reason is ok. i dont think you wanted that from him, did you?
 
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I didn't but I also didn't really take it that way I guess.

Should I have?
I don't believe it is for me to tell you how you should take it.

When I read that question in context with his or her other posts in this thread I believe his or her intention is clear. Im not trying to convince you one way or the other.

My apologies for detracting from the thread topic.
 
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I didn't but I also didn't really take it that way I guess.

Should I have?

No... you shouldn’t have, @madguy30.

I’m serious about what I said above in ALL my post. I think that it’s great that you said you don’t like crowds and like beings socially distant. It’s all about perspective and I’ll love to be able to see that side... I’m just not wired like that. As you said FOMO!
 
The problem is, that’s only a 90% immunity. So what some genius doesn’t do can still affect us.

To answer (part of) the original question, I think I saw something about ISU arranging a mass vaccination for students shortly on campus.

I would assume athletes are strongly motivated to attend.

Breakthrough cases are at something like 0.008% for vaccinated people. I'm not smart enough to explain that. My wife is, but I'm not smart enough to interpret to engineer level intelligence.

Bottom line, you got your shot, you're in the clear.
 
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Breakthrough cases are at something like 0.008% for vaccinated people. I'm not smart enough to explain that. My wife is, but I'm not smart enough to interpret to engineer level intelligence.

Bottom line, you got your shot, you're in the clear.

It's been like 6,000 total (asymp and symp) cases confirmed out of (most recent) 87 million people vaccinated.

Granted some of it's seasonal but there's small studies regarding good news about lack of transmission/spread etc. that are very good signs.
 
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The lights are still on. Clearly it can’t be sinking then.

Half the boat sinks first.

'Yeah but that didn't happen on this end. We're safe'.

*This isn't the political deal--there's actually a 'denial' mechanism that place in humans in this type of deal.
 
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Are you sure you are immune?

Even the Moderna and Pfizer shots are only 90% effective. The J&J in the 70%'s.

So my understanding is people who refuse to get vaccine increase chance for those vaccinated who don't have immunity to get Covid.

I have rcvd Covid shot, but the thought of going to ISU football or basketball games this fall is still a scary prospect. Not so much for me, but for older family members I interact with.

I would have no issue with proof of vaccination being required to attend large gatherings like sporting events, concerts, etc.
I'd love it if 100% of people were vaccinated but that's obviously not going to happen. A certain segment of the population has been brainwashed to think it contains microchips or its "dangerous" while they smoke a pack a day and do other dangerous activities.

I've come to the conclusion during this pandemic that it's not in my best interest to worry about other people's actions anymore because there are people out there who can't take simple measures to contribute to how a civil society works.

So my best course of action is to keep myself and my family as safe as possible.
 
Here's one thing I noticed with a certain political leaning segment on Facebook over the last year.

During the shutdown... " This is bs, we just need to open and we get herd immunity".

Me....."Herd immunity achieved through forced infections is a horrible idea for a disease with this high of a death rate and a country with the population as ours"

"Well, we need herd immunity, I read about it on some website".

Me....."They have a vaccine now, it's a way to achieve herd immunity without all the unnecessary deaths, just requires a couple shots"

"Vaccines? I'm not taking that!"
 
Hmmm. I've watched this closely since its inception. A couple of things concerned me from the start.
First, the erratic messages by the CDC and WHO. They flip flopped so often I started to not know what to believe. Even today, perusing the CDC site, it's amazing how many non definitive verbs are used (eg could, can, may, maybe) vs definite (will).
Then, there's this simple fact that in 1 year we came up with a novel vaccine for a disease which can't officially be classified as a virus because it can't be modeled as such. Even then, we can come up with an RNA based treatment in 1 year, but for some reason can't make better progress on cancer in over 50. Interesting.
Then there's the reason of why are tests only 90% accurate? Looking into that bares the bones of this whole thing. And, then the 'radical' adjustment (significantly lowering the amplification rate) to the test by the WHO after Biden was elected. I welcome anyone disproving that because, very honestly, all I'm seeking is the truth. That lower amplification rate, coincidently timed around the increase of the vaccination, dramatically alters ALL statistics. For if this level were 'before' the vaccine, we wouldn't have been scared by the sheer numbers. But, since it's after, it's absolutely wonderful how well the vaccine is doing (sarcasm).
And, then there's this: the vaccine prevents you from getting sick, but does not prevent you from contracting the disease. And since that's the case, why are we allowing masks to come off?
Ok, all that aside, I do NOT blame anyone for taking the vaccine. After all, per government influence it's the only way to get back to normal. Like it or not, I understand that's where we are at. And people have a right to do with their bodies what they'd like.
Be very clear. I'm NOT a conspiracy type of person. But, there are way too many questions to start forcing a vaccine into people who are patiently waiting for more definitive (see 'testing' ambiguity above for measure of 'definitive') results.

There's studies showing that transmission is cut in a big way due to cutting down the viral load even if contraction takes place.

And these vaccines were in the process for years, just needed the correct final parts/samples to be implemented which took place in January 2020 before testing/trials started.

The CDC has been awful in how they communicate this stuff. You need to provide direct rationale instead of 'It's safe!'.

When the full authorization comes through for Pfizer and Moderna, then new reasons not to take it will come up, no doubt.

Now excuse me while I pause to pry this spoon off of my face*.

*My favorite part of that clip: all the people in the crowd nodding their heads in full agreement. JFC.
 
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