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Cubs done?

Well throw out the idea of Jason Jennings trade, the Astros just got him.

About Pie and Cedeno: I saw the I-Cubs several times this year. Pie has potential but he's not ready yet. Cedeno needs some more AAA seasoning too. I think he can be good but he too was not ready last season.
 
Yeah, I see that. Someone compared what the Astros gave to get Jennings as being the Cubs giving up Hill, Pie, and perhaps Marmol. Houston can have him if they want him that much. Wow!
 
I still believe that there will be a stud Centerfielder signed that can go in the two slot.

I hear the cardinals are pissed at the smack we are talking now with these signings. Yes wait till the season starts. I still believe that we are a 90+ team in 2007. Maybe the red cross will be replaced finally with the "C" on our jerseys. As long as we are not like Michael Jackson and wear a glove on our left hand for no apparent reason we should just do fine.
 
acrozier22 said:
Cedano 2006 stats:

BA- .245
OBP- .271
K's- 109
AB's-534

He struck out 1 out of every 5 AB's. That is terrible for a contact hitter.

But you are right, what a stud with a .270 OBP. He fit right in with Dusty Baker.

Oh yeh, he also made 25 errors.
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Lets see here 1 out of 5 at Bats a player usually gets 3 to 4 at bats. Name some batters that don't strike out at least twice at bat in the same game that is a power hitter. Pie has power. Aramaz struck out 60 times last year. Pujols struck out- over 150 times in 162 games.

I see that you are not for getting younger players in the line-up to mature them. Murton, Eric, Marmol, Marshall, Ryu, and so on. What did Murton do when he first got to the Majors. What did Cedeno do when he first came to the majors. With a little bit of grooming Pie will wow even the non-Believers.

A little bit of insight for you-There is no curse-its all about managing and playing the game.
 
acrozier22 said:
Cedano 2006 stats:

BA- .245
OBP- .271
K's- 109
AB's-534

He struck out 1 out of every 5 AB's. That is terrible for a contact hitter.

But you are right, what a stud with a .270 OBP. He fit right in with Dusty Baker.

Oh yeh, he also made 25 errors.
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ok lets see here real quick 151 games @ bat 557 times 131 k's and that was his f2nd year (first year only played 18 games)-Mark McGwire boy he really is a stud... whoo whoo (sarcasim as if you did not know)

Look hear you start somewhere and take a risk.
 
Dave19642006 said:
Lets see here 1 out of 5 at Bats a player usually gets 3 to 4 at bats. Name some batters that don't strike out at least twice at bat in the same game that is a power hitter. Pie has power. Aramaz struck out 60 times last year. Pujols struck out- over 150 times in 162 games.

I see that you are not for getting younger players in the line-up to mature them. Murton, Eric, Marmol, Marshall, Ryu, and so on. What did Murton do when he first got to the Majors. What did Cedeno do when he first came to the majors. With a little bit of grooming Pie will wow even the non-Believers.

A little bit of insight for you-There is no curse-its all about managing and playing the game.
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Are you comparing Cedano to Pujols and Ramirez? Are you off your rocker old man? First off Cedano struck out 50 more times than Rameriz. Rameriz hit 30 plus home runs and drove in over 100 RBI's. If Cedano puts up those numbers then it wouldnt' be a big deal how many times he struck out. But he is a contact hitter, he should not strike out that much.

Get your facts straight about Pujols. Albert Pujols has never had a season of 100+ strikeouts. He actually only struck out 50 times last year.

I'm not against playing younger players. I'm against playing younger players who are not ready for the big leagues. Pie is not ready for the big leagues yet.

As for your last comment, who said anything about the curse? I'm glad you are not managing the cubs.
 
Dave19642006 said:
ok lets see here real quick 151 games @ bat 557 times 131 k's and that was his f2nd year (first year only played 18 games)-Mark McGwire boy he really is a stud... whoo whoo (sarcasim as if you did not know)

Look hear you start somewhere and take a risk.
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Some key stats you left out of that year for McGwire. 49 Hr's and 118 RBI's. McGwire also had a better batting average and on base percentage than Cedano.

Quit trying to compare Cedano to future hall of famers.
 
acrozier22 said:
Some key stats you left out of that year for McGwire. 49 Hr's and 118 RBI's. McGwire also had a better batting average and on base percentage than Cedano.

Quit trying to compare Cedano to future hall of famers.
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Cedeno and McGwire should never be mentioned in the same sentence let alone the same paragraph, etc. Unless of course Cedeno starts taking roids, then he may have something in common with Big Mac. :laugh8kb:
 
acrozier22 said:
Some key stats you left out of that year for McGwire. 49 Hr's and 118 RBI's. McGwire also had a better batting average and on base percentage than Cedano.

Quit trying to compare Cedano to future hall of famers.
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you see the problem not the solution-think here use what is between the earson your shoulder. Cedeno can be up there if given the chance. NO PLAYER goes into the big leagues and hits 60 homeruns, 120 RBI's Steals 40 bases Ect, Ect. Cedeno will have his ups and downs. Its a learning curve. If you think comparing stats with people that have been playing for years and not with the first year stats, You are a disallusional person. I compared Cedeno with a Player that people can relate to. Not STATING THAT HE WILL OR IS BETTER THEN THEM. Its comparison of stats since you love stats so much.
 
Dave19642006 said:
you see the problem not the solution-think here use what is between the earson your shoulder. Cedeno can be up there if given the chance. NO PLAYER goes into the big leagues and hits 60 homeruns, 120 RBI's Steals 40 bases Ect, Ect. Cedeno will have his ups and downs. Its a learning curve. If you think comparing stats with people that have been playing for years and not with the first year stats, You are a disallusional person. I compared Cedeno with a Player that people can relate to. Not STATING THAT HE WILL OR IS BETTER THEN THEM. Its comparison of stats since you love stats so much.
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Dave, I think his point is that Cedeno really struggled most of last year and to start comparing stats to All Star players is not a good idea in this case. I think Cedeno has a lot of potential but he showed last season he was not ready for the big leagues quite yet. I'm not sure he'll ever be a top-notch player but from what I have seen of him he could be a decent infielder if he work on his defense some more and get's his swing back. He had some really amazing plays at SS here in Des Moines just 2 years ago but as we've seen with a lot of players there is still a gap between MLB and AAA where you have to adjust and bring your game up to a higher level to suceed in the big leagues. Hopefully Cedeno can find that but for now I think he and several of those young pitchers need to start the season in AAA and get some time put in to improve on some things.
 
Dave19642006 said:
you see the problem not the solution-think here use what is between the earson your shoulder. Cedeno can be up there if given the chance. NO PLAYER goes into the big leagues and hits 60 homeruns, 120 RBI's Steals 40 bases Ect, Ect. Cedeno will have his ups and downs. Its a learning curve. If you think comparing stats with people that have been playing for years and not with the first year stats, You are a disallusional person. I compared Cedeno with a Player that people can relate to. Not STATING THAT HE WILL OR IS BETTER THEN THEM. Its comparison of stats since you love stats so much.
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Ok let's compare him with related players:

All in their first full year!

Rafeal Furcal:
80 K's, .295 BA, .394 OBP, 40 SB's, 73 Walks

David Eckstein
60 K's, .285 BA, .355 OBP, 29 SB's, 43 Walks

Julio Lugo
93 K's, .283 BA, .403 OBP, 22 SB's, 37 Walks

Cedano was given a chance this year and was flat out TERRIBLE. Send him back down to get more work.
 
travman23 said:
Dave, I think his point is that Cedeno really struggled most of last year and to start comparing stats to All Star players is not a good idea in this case. I think Cedeno has a lot of potential but he showed last season he was not ready for the big leagues quite yet. I'm not sure he'll ever be a top-notch player but from what I have seen of him he could be a decent infielder if he work on his defense some more and get's his swing back. He had some really amazing plays at SS here in Des Moines just 2 years ago but as we've seen with a lot of players there is still a gap between MLB and AAA where you have to adjust and bring your game up to a higher level to suceed in the big leagues. Hopefully Cedeno can find that but for now I think he and several of those young pitchers need to start the season in AAA and get some time put in to improve on some things.
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Point well put-agree with you on this
 
Well other than a left hitting OF they really don't have many more holes to fill other than the bench now and there are plenty of decent players that they won't have to fight for to get. If the season started today:

CF: Soriano
2B: DeRosa
1B: Lee
3B: Ramirez
RF: Jones
C: Barrett
LF: Murton
SS: Izturis
Rotation: Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Miller/Prior
Bullpen: Wood, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Cotts, Dumpster, Wuertz?
Bench: Blanco, Ward, Pagan, Theriot, Cedeno?

That's 24 not counting Cedeno and Wuertz. You still have Marshall and Marmol fighting for a spot on the roster too. I would not be surprised to see Ohman traded with Cotts and Eyre already 2 LHP in the bullpen. A lot rides on Miller and Prior's health too on who makes the opening day roster for pitchers. Theriot may have to earn a spot too. Really the only big needs right now is in OF 2 depending on what happens with Jones and Floyd. Ward is slated to backup Lee at 1B and Pagan is the 4th OF right now.
 
travman23 said:
Well other than a left hitting OF they really don't have many more holes to fill other than the bench now and there are plenty of decent players that they won't have to fight for to get. If the season started today:

CF: Soriano
2B: DeRosa
1B: Lee
3B: Ramirez
RF: Jones
C: Barrett
LF: Murton
SS: Izturis
Rotation: Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Marquis, Miller/Prior
Bullpen: Wood, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Cotts, Dumpster, Wuertz?
Bench: Blanco, Ward, Pagan, Theriot, Cedeno?

That's 24 not counting Cedeno and Wuertz. You still have Marshall and Marmol fighting for a spot on the roster too. I would not be surprised to see Ohman traded with Cotts and Eyre already 2 LHP in the bullpen. A lot rides on Miller and Prior's health too on who makes the opening day roster for pitchers. Theriot may have to earn a spot too. Really the only big needs right now is in OF 2 depending on what happens with Jones and Floyd. Ward is slated to backup Lee at 1B and Pagan is the 4th OF right now.
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All that is exactly why I started this thread. It really seemed as though they got everyone they need. Now its just filling a few extra holes. The discussion of CF is a topic, I was expecting a trade of some sorts. And thought they might get another decent pitcher.
 
I don't see any CF's worth trading the farm for right now other than Vernon Wells and I don't think the BJ's (HAHA) are going to trade him until late July.

Rocco Bodelli is not worth trading a handful of prospects for and I don't see the cubs trading for a guy like Wells when Pie is "almost" ready for the bigs. They are going to get a guy like Ryan Church or even have Soriano play there this year and then move him to RF next year when Pie is ready.
 
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