Plenty of examples of assistants being duds. Plenty of examples of mid-major coaches being duds. Nobody here has a crystal ball. I just want someone that will continue efficient, uptempo offense. Prohm and (by all accounts) Otz fit that bill.
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Familiarity and worked with Fred are extremely weak best attributes. JP retained him for the next HC after McD, and Fred hired him on his way out, BFD.
I dont get this assessment by many.
He already left once when he thought it would be better for his career, taking a lateral (at best) move to washington. Sure, he's spent many years at ISU, but as evidenced by the fact that he couldnt even get a sniff from Drake its not like he was turning town big opportunities to stay here most of those years.. it turns out being a part of a ****** program like Gmac's doesnt do much for the ol' resume. He bolted for Washington once he thought he'd maxed out what he could do here for his resume and it seems obvious why he came back (an opportunity at this position, which is likely greater if he is on the ground).
Also, really... i think this should be about the last factor anyways. Id rather have a coach come in and succeed for 5 years and move on and leave things better for a replacement than hire a mediocre option that wont go anywhere. For some reason ever since the Chizik departure everyone puts this huge premium on 'he'll stick around' or 'he has iowa ties', when that really shouldnt matter. Neither Larry or Tim were from around here, but they were solid hires.
I have seen NO evidence that he even applied for the Drake job. At least provide some evidence if you make an allegation.
Your obtuseness and stupidity are really getting old.
Otzelberger along with three mid-major candidates are known interviewees for the job. None of them are big time candidates. All of the have deficiencies in their resumes.
And your reasons about Otzelberger are made up opinions of yours and not fact. Since you hate Otzelberger so much, I am sure you are hopeful that he is NOT retained by the new coach if Otz is not named HC. After all, WHY would you want such a terrible coach in your opinion?
Actually it was FRED who retained Otzelberger from McDermott's staff. FRED said that it was a priority to keep Otz on staff and made him associate head coach.
When Matt A. left, Fred hired him again. So he was sought out and hired by Fred TWICE.
Working with Fred is a huge plus. We want our program to continue in the manner that Fred was running things. We are not wanting a new direction. Pretty stupid to claim that familiarity with Fred's methods and style of play and actually working with Fred are extremely weak attributes. In fact, they are some of the strongest arguments in elevating Otzelberger to be HC.
This candidates who have surfaced in this search are as exciting as the past 2 Iowa State bowl games.....Little panache and lack of excitement....
People weren't excited about Floyd or Eustachy either, but it was clear they could coach.
These guys have all won multiple conference titles, and shown they can get the most out of a team...all except one.
Look in a mirror. I miss the days where you contained your posts to the cave so most could avoid your terrible posts. Its fairly common knowledge and was reported on by many at the time. I know Keith Murphy mentioned it and I believe CW knew about it as well. Not getting any interest was a big reason he left ISU. Even beyond that, he still wasnt getting any interest in many jobs this last season, the two jobs he was up for barely paying any more than an assistant coaching gig at ISU.
But not all deficiencies are created equal. Otzelberger's holes are GIANT compared to the holes in even these other rather underwhelming candidates.
He's a bad option as HC because he doesnt have the resume and because ISU should not be taking that big of a risk at this point in time. And yes, those risks are much more pronounced in TJ than they are even in these underwhelming candidates. Plus the fact that we can retain every single benefit he brings to the table by just keeping him on as an assistant means there's no benefit in promoting him to HC and missing out on someone else's talents. Id be fine with keeping him *as an assistant* because he's done a decent job in recruiting for someone else, which is all we need in him as an assistant. Just because someone would be a terrible option to promote to a company CEO doesnt mean they arent perfectly capable at their lower level position.
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Agreed. I'm not jumping up and down about the options, but would be relatively excited about all 3. The more I hear about Drew the more I like him.
Prohm has won 1 Conference Title. West Division Championship is not a Conference Championship.
Interesting to note that both Steve Prohm and Bryce Drew were assistant coaches at their respective schools who were elevated to Head Coach without prior head coaching experience.
Except Fred was dynamic. He didnt stick to one way of running things and TJ wasnt here during the best 2 years of Hoiberg's tenure. Simply aping hoiberg isnt going to get the job done. Only hoiberg can be Hoiberg.
Nope, thats not what ive said at all, but maybe one day you'll learn how to read. Keep at it!
ISU is a stepping stone job. Even the goldenboy ultimately saw Ames as a launching pad for bigger and better things.
Any coach is a gun for hire. Get the right one and keep a list of replacements ready. Consider yourself lucky if you get 5 years and a pair of Big 12 tournament wins
I guess I forgot it would be too much to ask for, for Iowa State to make a splash hire, like a current or past power 5 coach or someone of that ilk. Typical Iowa State hire....
I'm pretty sure that CW has said part of the reason he left was because he couldn't get an interview at Drake.
No one hates Otz. I know that it is shocking but some of us think there might be other choices.
Nope, Fred agreed to it, but retaining TJ was set in motion as soon McD left. Had JP not been behind it prior to Fred, TJ easily could have been a bluejay before Fred even met with Fred.