Chris Soules Arrested

[ImJustKCClone]

Both vehicles were southbound. Not sure how head on anything would be since he must have hit the trailer first.

I understand that - but for him, he hit "head on", meaning it was his front end that impacted the tractor/trailer.
Sorry - I'm just having flashbacks to how confused my son was when he had a concussion, and was throwing that out since everyone else is making guesses...

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I suppose the airbag might cause a concussion. Assuming with a tractor this size, whatever he was pulling on trailer hitch was not large. The bottles in the truck and OWI history, as well as the public comments and consumption, make alcohol seem much more probable.

Yes, I agree. I was simply suggesting an alternative contributing factor.

 

[madguy30]

that doesn't make sense to me, aren't all accidents preventable?

Exactly.

Collisions, crashes, etc. fits descriptions of drivers' consequences. If you go 80 around a corner and roll your car or hit someone in the oncoming lane because you're too stupid to put your phone down, there's no way it was an accident, although it was well deserved on your part. It's unfortunate when someone's stupidity kills someone else and it'd be ideal if all these idiots looking at their gadgets and thinking they have to excessively speed to make up time just drove off the road and took themselves out.

It's a general term to say accident but to me it always sounds like the person couldn't have done anything to help the situation when they most certainly could have with exception to the moron looking at their phone who drifts into your lane or something crazy like an object coming off a semi in one split second.

Pet peeve I suppose but also not correct terminology.

 

[3GenClone]

Exactly.

Collisions, crashes, etc. fits descriptions of drivers' consequences. If you go 80 around a corner and roll your car or hit someone in the oncoming lane because you're too stupid to put your phone down, there's no way it was an accident, although it was well deserved on your part. It's unfortunate when someone's stupidity kills someone else and it'd be ideal if all these idiots looking at their gadgets and thinking they have to excessively speed to make up time just drove off the road and took themselves out.

It's a general term to say accident but to me it always sounds like the person couldn't have done anything to help the situation when they most certainly could have with exception to the moron looking at their phone who drifts into your lane or something crazy like an object coming off a semi in one split second.

Pet peeve I suppose but also not correct terminology.

Reminds me of that scene in Hot Fuzz where Simon Pegg corrects Nick Frost's character to use the term "traffic collision" rather than "traffic accident" because accident implies there is nobody to blame. I would post the video, but don't think it's appropriate in this particular discussion.

 

[chuckd4735]

Exactly.

Collisions, crashes, etc. fits descriptions of drivers' consequences. If you go 80 around a corner and roll your car or hit someone in the oncoming lane because you're too stupid to put your phone down, there's no way it was an accident, although it was well deserved on your part. It's unfortunate when someone's stupidity kills someone else and it'd be ideal if all these idiots looking at their gadgets and thinking they have to excessively speed to make up time just drove off the road and took themselves out.

It's a general term to say accident but to me it always sounds like the person couldn't have done anything to help the situation when they most certainly could have with exception to the moron looking at their phone who drifts into your lane or something crazy like an object coming off a semi in one split second.

Pet peeve I suppose but also not correct terminology.

All accidents in life are preventable and have contributing factors. Unless you are intentionally trying to crash your car, its an accident, regardless if there were other contributing factors. Your stance pretty much would be to do away with the term "accident".

 

[jkclone]

You would make a good (bad) public defender...

I was thinking that way because I thought it was trying to dispute him being drunk and if I were there I wouldn't have allowed him to flee.

 

[mywayorcyway]

Exactly.

Collisions, crashes, etc. fits descriptions of drivers' consequences. If you go 80 around a corner and roll your car or hit someone in the oncoming lane because you're too stupid to put your phone down, there's no way it was an accident, although it was well deserved on your part. It's unfortunate when someone's stupidity kills someone else and it'd be ideal if all these idiots looking at their gadgets and thinking they have to excessively speed to make up time just drove off the road and took themselves out.

It's a general term to say accident but to me it always sounds like the person couldn't have done anything to help the situation when they most certainly could have with exception to the moron looking at their phone who drifts into your lane or something crazy like an object coming off a semi in one split second.

Pet peeve I suppose but also not correct terminology.

I agree. There's no way to make it clearly defined, but I've always thought of it as accident vs. mistake. Your wheel comes off and you hit the car in the lane next to you - accident. Texting while driving and rear end a car? Mistake.

If they were all "accidents", percentages of fault wouldn't be assigned.

 

[madguy30]

All accidents in life are preventable and have contributing factors. Unless you are intentionally trying to crash your car, its an accident, regardless if there were other contributing factors. Your stance pretty much would be to do away with the term "accident".

The cars don't have accidents. The cars are driven by morons who do things intentionally while in the car.

If you're an idiot who speeds excessively or who has to check FB while driving, you did that intentionally. Those activities are intentional and out of choice/sheer stupidity and the consequence is a crash/collision.

 

[HogueNation]

I was thinking that way because I thought it was trying to dispute him being drunk and if I were there I wouldn't have allowed him to flee.

Instead his family member comes to help the injured and attempts to get him out of the situation. In my opinion the person who came should be charged with accessory, they knew he committed the accident, responded to his call for help and then let him flee the scene. I know all I need to know about the type of family this sleaze ball comes from.

 

[chuckd4735]

The cars don't have accidents. The cars are driven by morons who do things intentionally while in the car.

If you're an idiot who speeds excessively or who has to check FB while driving, you did that intentionally. Those activities are intentional and out of choice/sheer stupidity and the consequence is a crash/collision.

I agree with everything you said. However, the consequence is still an accident. Most definitely a preventable accident, but an accident none the less.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

IF this is true, it seems even worse.

Instead his family member comes to help the injured and attempts to get him out of the situation. In my opinion the person who came should be charged with accessory, they knew he committed the accident, responded to his call for help and then let him flee the scene. I know all I need to know about the type of family this sleaze ball comes from.

OR, the family member came to help, and went first to the most injured person (standard triage), and while focused on aiding the tractor driver down in the ditch, Chris appropriated his car without his permission...?
You're making a LOT of negative assumptions in this thread. Why not let the facts emerge?

 

[jsb]

Instead his family member comes to help the injured and attempts to get him out of the situation. In my opinion the person who came should be charged with accessory, they knew he committed the accident, responded to his call for help and then let him flee the scene. I know all I need to know about the type of family this sleaze ball comes from.

I'd be careful to assign blame to the family. Maybe while they were helping the victim, CS got in the other car and drove away without them being able to stop. Of course, this is assuming that someone called the police first.

 

[Incyte]

Instead his family member comes to help the injured and attempts to get him out of the situation. In my opinion the person who came should be charged with accessory, they knew he committed the accident, responded to his call for help and then let him flee the scene. I know all I need to know about the type of family this sleaze ball comes from.

There hasn't been anything that shows family helped him flee. For all we know he hopped in their truck and took off. But don't let that get in your way of jumping on your high horse.

 

[cyhiphopp]

All accidents in life are preventable and have contributing factors. Unless you are intentionally trying to crash your car, its an accident, regardless if there were other contributing factors. Your stance pretty much would be to do away with the term "accident".

The difference between an "At Fault" accident and an unpreventable one.

 

[madguy30]

I agree with everything you said. However, the consequence is still an accident. Most definitely a preventable accident, but an accident none the less.

Whatever works for you but there's absolutely no way I'll ever believe a situation 'accidentally' occurred because someone can't take the time to be present while doing something like driving a car.

 

[Gorm]

 

[SNEDDS3]

Instead his family member comes to help the injured and attempts to get him out of the situation. In my opinion the person who came should be charged with accessory, they knew he committed the accident, responded to his call for help and then let him flee the scene. I know all I need to know about the type of family this sleaze ball comes from.

His family member was performing CPR on the farmer until authorities arrived not aiding Chris. You can pass judgement all you want but this family is more than one person's bad judgement.

 

[Cydkar]

Which are you people referring to? The realtor guy that Chris and them talk with on the radio? Did he screw you over home buying? Fill us in, I might be looking for a house soon.

No bearing on his realtor business whatsoever. You'd probably be in good hands.

 

[wxman1]

Drove past the Courthouse in Independence on Sunday and actually thought that it has been awhile since much had happened up there. I guess I get to see it on the news a lot for the foreseeable future.

 

[NickTheGreat]

What a dirtbag. So sad for the tractor driver's family.