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Charlie Strong Situation

I don't know him but from all accounts Charlie Strong is a good man. I think he is a good football coach too.

He got put in a position that requires a politician as much as it requires a good coach, and he refused to play that part. Best of luck to him in the future.
 
It seems to me a head coach being a good man is synonymous with an athlete being long and athletic.

Why does everyone need to point that out before being in support of firing a coach paid at or near the top of his field with the best facilities and recruits out there buy holds a losing record and lost to one of the worst d1 programs in college football?

It's ok to fire anyone under performing to that degree without needing to dive into the nature of their character. Ultimately the paycheck is as high as it is to win football games. Many people have the skills to represent a university well and keep a program out of trouble, the big paycheck comes from there being a very limited supply of people who can do that that while also winning 10 plus games every year. it's ok to take action if you're not getting what is being paid for.
 
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Charlie Strong might be one of these guys that does best and is happiest as a coordinator. There is no shame in being another Bud Foster.
 
iowa_wildcat said:
Charlie Strong might be one of these guys that does best and is happiest as a coordinator. There is no shame in being another Bud Foster.
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He did pretty well as ahead coach at Louisville. This is just a disfunctional situation. Nick Saban didn't take the Texas job because he didn't want to report to boosters.
 
Rhoads could have won six or seven games with that talent. Gene would have been good for five.
 
isu81 said:
He did pretty well as ahead coach at Louisville. This is just a disfunctional situation. Nick Saban didn't take the Texas job because he didn't want to report to boosters.
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He caught lightening in a bottle with Teddy Bridgewater and bolted ASAP. L'ville upgraded bigtime when he left. He was in over his head at UT from day one, I don't know why anyone thought he would succeed. The big 12 is a much different beast than the big east/american conference.
 
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vmbplayer said:
It seems to me a head coach being a good man is synonymous with an athlete being long and athletic.

Why does everyone need to point that out before being in support of firing a coach paid at or near the top of his field with the best facilities and recruits out there buy holds a losing record and lost to one of the worst d1 programs in college football?

It's ok to fire anyone under performing to that degree without needing to dive into the nature of their character. Ultimately the paycheck is as high as it is to win football games. Many people have the skills to represent a university well and keep a program out of trouble, the big paycheck comes from there being a very limited supply of people who can do that that while also winning 10 plus games every year. it's ok to take action if you're not getting what is being paid for.
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I agree. I think it's odd all the sympathy Strong seems to be getting. By all objective measures he's been terrible at Texas. This isn't Les Miles getting fired after winning a title and consistently being a top 15 team. This is a guy who couldn't put together a single winning season at Texas, who couldn't beat Kansas in his third year. He may be a good guy, but he's been a failure on the field. You can look at any number of coaches who took elite jobs (Meyer at Florida and OSU, Saban at Alabama, Carroll at USC, Harbaugh at Stanford and Michigan, Petersen at Washington), and if it's not happening by year three, it's not going to happen.
 
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I think Strong just doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach right now in a place like Texas. He seemed to go into panic mode once they started losing games (e.g., lots of meetings w/ coaches, lots of assistant turnover, etc.). That's probably a result of him not having a good plan for improvement combined with a ridiculous pressure to win at a place like Texas. As much as we hear Campbell talk about The Plan, it seems like Strong never really had one that lived past first contact with an opposing team, much less a grander plan to get them better as a football team. I don't know if that was a result of him not having one at all or him discarding it once he started feeling the heat.
 
vmbplayer said:
It seems to me a head coach being a good man is synonymous with an athlete being long and athletic.

Why does everyone need to point that out before being in support of firing a coach paid at or near the top of his field with the best facilities and recruits out there buy holds a losing record and lost to one of the worst d1 programs in college football?

It's ok to fire anyone under performing to that degree without needing to dive into the nature of their character. Ultimately the paycheck is as high as it is to win football games. Many people have the skills to represent a university well and keep a program out of trouble, the big paycheck comes from there being a very limited supply of people who can do that that while also winning 10 plus games every year. it's ok to take action if you're not getting what is being paid for.
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I see two reasons why I'd post he's a good guy before saying he needs to be fired. First, it shows it isn't personal. Too many people take who their coach is and how they're doing too personally. Second, it explains why I, and others, feel kind of bad for him. If you're a coach who's an *******, I'm not going to feel any sympathy when you're fired or asked by the media, "you realize what this loss will do to your job at X, right" Yes, Strong's been paid really well, and will have a great buyout, but it still isn't fun watching someone who seems like a good guy just fail.
 
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isucy86 said:
Texas is STILL a great job. Easily a top 10 job and arguably a top 5 job.

People questioned if the Michigan job was still elite a couple years ago. Nobody would question that today. Texas just needs to hire the right coach.
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I'd consider a guy who won the National Championship the "right coach"...Texas didn't. I agree that UT is a top 5 job. But if a top 5 job falls in the forest without a top 5 coach to coach it, does it make a noise? The admin and boosters need to GTFO of Herman's way. You know Harbaugh demanded that from UM, can Herman do the same? We'll find out soon.
 
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I still don't think he'll get a top tier P5 job right away.
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I could really see him and Herman switching spots. I'd hire him in a heartbeat if we were looking. The guy didn't just accidentally win at Louisville.

This is really close to RichRod. The fanbase and boosters never wanted to buy into him and then when he didn't win they were all just justified. The difference with RichRod was he was trending upward, though gradually.
 
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weR138 said:
I'd consider a guy who won the National Championship the "right coach"...Texas didn't. I agree that UT is a top 5 job. But if a top 5 job falls in the forest without a top 5 coach to coach it, does it make a noise? The admin and boosters need to GTFO of Herman's way. You know Harbaugh demanded that from UM, can Herman do the same? We'll find out soon.
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Herman isn't Harbaugh, though. He doesn't have the history there and he doesn't have the resume. Harbaugh could walk in and tell them to take a look at everything he's done in coaching and as a QB there and they would have no reason to meddle. Herman can say whatever he wants but he hasn't really ever actually won anything. He's really no different than Strong was.
 
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isucy86 said:
Charlie is a good man and sets the right ideals for how he wants his kids to act.

IMO it seemed like he struggled with who he hired as assistant coaches. Not sure if he brought many guys with him from Louisville or not. He will get an elite d-coordinator position if he wants it, within 13 months His resume is too good.

If he wants to be a head coach in the next year or so, he is going to need to understand what went wrong at Texas and convince an AD he learned from theTexas experience. Some great coaches (Belichek & Carroll) were fired

I can see him as an SEC or ACC DC nxt season. He would make a good choice for a school like Purdue.
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I wonder what I could get for odds on LSU keeping Oregeron and him hiring Strong and Briles as OC and DC
 
Tre4ISU said:
Herman isn't Harbaugh, though. He doesn't have the history there and he doesn't have the resume. Harbaugh could walk in and tell them to take a look at everything he's done in coaching and as a QB there and they would have no reason to meddle. Herman can say whatever he wants but he hasn't really ever actually won anything. He's really no different than Strong was.
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You sir are 100% correct. I do hope Herman succeeds. It'll be good for us.
 
HGoat said:
I don't know him but from all accounts Charlie Strong is a good man. I think he is a good football coach too.

He got put in a position that requires a politician as much as it requires a good coach, and he refused to play that part. Best of luck to him in the future.
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And none of that would matter if he was winning. People way overplay the bad situation thing.
 
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