***CFB Transfer Portal 2022-23 thread***

[WeB4Cy]

Different times, circumstances, and reasons. PfP, no sitt out, grad transfer, etc has changed the landscape if you haven't noticed. JUCO players probably suffering the most.

You said we wouldn't remember them, and they wouldn't remember Ames. That's what you said, and you couldn't be more wrong for that.

We as fans will always remember any impactful players. That's what we are as Cyclone fans. We don't have another team, and no professional team, so this is our team.

That's carries me to the 2nd part of your statement, which is they won't remember Ames. They will me Rockstar on Campus. We don't go after guys that are wanting a huge pay day because ISU don't have money like any other teams in the Big 12 or the country (one of the lowest when it comes to Boosters). So we build a Family atmosphere and who doesn't remember their "Family".

 

[Lineup]

The transfer portal doesn't pay players?

lol why do you think there are so many

 

[CoKane]

lol why do you think there are so many

Are you trying to say NIL? People transferring itself isnt a problem. There's always been a ton and we've benefitted from it. NIL is when things got worse

 

[GoldCy]

Nobody ever mentions the 100s of kids that never get picked up and end up with nothing.
I assume a lot of them end up there because they get pushed out. Good way for programs to clear the roster.

 

[isucy86]

Nobody ever mentions the 100s of kids that never get picked up and end up with nothing.
I assume a lot of them end up there because they get pushed out. Good way for programs to clear the roster.

This is the part I down understand. I would be interested if someone in the media would do an analysis on why the large % never sign elsewhere.

• Do they decide college isn't for them?
• Are they tired of the commitment to play for a P5 or G5 school and realize their NFL dream has ended. Just because they aren't on football scholarship, does that mean they aren't attending college?
• After its too late, do some portal players realize they don't have credits/grades to transfer to another college. And they don't have the economic support to attend college if they have to pay their own way?

I struggle with the statement "they never get picked up" because if a kid playing at a P5 or G5 program wanted to drop down to D2, D3 or NAIA they could be a solid football player at that level.

 

[Acylum]

This is the part I down understand. I would be interested if someone in the media would do an analysis on why the large % never sign elsewhere.

• Do they decide college isn't for them?
• Are they tired of the commitment to play for a P5 or G5 school and realize their NFL dream has ended. Just because they aren't on football scholarship, does that mean they aren't attending college?
• After its too late, do some portal players realize they don't have credits/grades to transfer to another college. And they don't have the economic support to attend college if they have to pay their own way?

I struggle with the statement "they never get picked up" because if a kid playing at a P5 or G5 program wanted to drop down to D2, D3 or NAIA they could be a solid football player at that level.

I’ve seen the numbers you’re talking about and it was honestly shocking to me the number of players in the portal who end up never playing football again.

 

[WeB4Cy]

I also think we need to keep in mind, yes we had a bad season, and didn't win a lot of close games. But Before we go all "the world is ending, tear down the entire thing and start over". We lost over 70% of our production going into last season, and we were one of the youngest teams in the big 12.

If you really go back and look at it as a whole. We were 4-8 with 6 of those loses coming by 7 points or less. And the Oklahoma game (14 point loss) with one busted play on defense.

We return a lot of our production on the Defensive side of the ball, and other then X, we basically have everyone coming back on offense.

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 1 play (Dropped pass, missed hole by RB, etc.) In the Baylor game, Kansas game, K-State game, Texas Game, OK St games and Tech game that would of flipped the outcome.

So with our D staying at an elite level (hopefully, other then maybe a lack of a bonafide pass rusher, I don't see why why we can't continue that). And if our O-Line can get a little bit more of a push, why we couldn't win half, if not all of those games. That's 6 plays away from being 10-2 instead of 4-8.

IMO we truly aren't that far away.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

This is the part I down understand. I would be interested if someone in the media would do an analysis on why the large % never sign elsewhere.

• Do they decide college isn't for them?
• Are they tired of the commitment to play for a P5 or G5 school and realize their NFL dream has ended. Just because they aren't on football scholarship, does that mean they aren't attending college?
• After its too late, do some portal players realize they don't have credits/grades to transfer to another college. And they don't have the economic support to attend college if they have to pay their own way?

I struggle with the statement "they never get picked up" because if a kid playing at a P5 or G5 program wanted to drop down to D2, D3 or NAIA they could be a solid football player at that level.

Yeah but for a lot of those levels they don’t get scholarships. Players transfer for a few common reasons: they are playing well and want to go to a higher profile school or a school with more money, they aren’t playing very much if at all, and finally if it’s a bad fit. It takes two to tango in the portal so a guy both has to want to go to a school and the school has to want them back. If you’re transferring from a D1 program are you really going to want to drop down? That’s probably a last case scenario and if kids keep waiting for a better offer that original offer might not still be there.

 

[CoKane]

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I also think we need to keep in mind, yes we had a bad season, and didn't win a lot of close games. But Before we go all "the world is ending, tear down the entire thing and start over". We lost over 70% of our production going into last season, and we were one of the youngest teams in the big 12.

If you really go back and look at it as a whole. We were 4-8 with 6 of those loses coming by 7 points or less. And the Oklahoma game (14 point loss) with one busted play on defense.

We return a lot of our production on the Defensive side of the ball, and other then X, we basically have everyone coming back on offense.

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 1 play (Dropped pass, missed hole by RB, etc.) In the Baylor game, Kansas game, K-State game, Texas Game, OK St games and Tech game that would of flipped the outcome.

So with our D staying at an elite level (hopefully, other then maybe a lack of a bonafide pass rusher, I don't see why why we can't continue that). And if our O-Line can get a little bit more of a push, why we couldn't win half, if not all of those games. That's 6 plays away from being 10-2 instead of 4-8.

IMO we truly aren't that far away

I think that we both are and arent. I dont think the offense bringing all these dudes back is actually a good thing. Our players returning for next year on offense are either bad, injury prone, or weren't good enough to get on the field over the bad players. Only guys im kinda excited for are Hannicka and Norton. A room full of bad players is still a room of bad players

 

[WeB4Cy]

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I think that we both are and arent. I dont think the offense bringing all these dudes back is actually a good thing. Our players returning for next year on offense are either bad, injury prone, or weren't good enough to get on the field over the bad players. Only guys im kinda excited for are Hannicka and Norton. A room full of bad players is still a room of bad players

So what you're saying is, after 7 years of getting the best recruits in program history we only have bad players on the offensive side of the ball? What classifies them as a bad players? They can only be good when they show out there first year of playing? Because Bob Jones (wrong sport) has proven that to be false.

I'm excited about Norton as well, but our offense was better with Brock on the field. If he can stay healthy he'll show everyone why he was a 4 Star recruit. Dude averaged 4.5 ypc last season.

 

[isucy86]

Yeah but for a lot of those levels they don’t get scholarships. Players transfer for a few common reasons: they are playing well and want to go to a higher profile school or a school with more money, they aren’t playing very much if at all, and finally if it’s a bad fit. It takes two to tango in the portal so a guy both has to want to go to a school and the school has to want them back. If you’re transferring from a D1 program are you really going to want to drop down? That’s probably a last case scenario and if kids keep waiting for a better offer that original offer might not still be there.

Understood. But if a kid is getting zero interest from P5, G5 or even FCS schools they have to honestly evaluate their abilities.

Some of the lower level schools might not offer athletic scholarships, but a lot have the ability to offer financial aid packages equivalent to athletic scholarships. In some cases those are small private schools, but it happens with public schools as well.

I think it comes back to my prior post. If kids realize their football dream is over, are they not interested in getting an education and degree?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Understood. But if a kid is getting zero interest from P5, G5 or even FCS schools they have to honestly evaluate their abilities.

Some of the lower level schools might not offer athletic scholarships, but a lot have the ability to offer financial aid packages equivalent to athletic scholarships. In some cases those are small private schools, but it happens with public schools as well.

I think it comes back to my prior post. If kids realize their football dream is over, are they not interested in getting an education and degree?

I agree with everything you are saying but I think you are underestimating both the ego of a lot of these athletes and their desire to even be in school without football

 

[isucy86]

I agree with everything you are saying but I think you are underestimating both the ego of a lot of these athletes and their desire to even be in school without football

That's the core of my point. A poster here mentioned the portal is a bad thing because the high% of athletes that don't find new schools.

But should we be surprised based on P5 football graduation rates before the immediate transfer eligibility rule was introduced? Like you allude, I doubt a large % of P5 and G5 football players would be in college if not for their sport abilities. College isn't for every kid, but getting a degree can be economically life altering.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

That's the core of my point. A poster here mentioned the portal is a bad thing because the high% of athletes that don't find new schools.

But should we be surprised based on P5 football graduation rates before the immediate transfer eligibility rule was introduced? Like you allude, I doubt a large % of P5 and G5 football players would be in college if not for their sport abilities. College isn't for every kid, but getting a degree can be economically life altering.

I think the number you need is how many guys voluntarily enter the portal and how many are forced to. Don’t think we can ever get those numbers and I know this board will just go negative and say that many are forced but that’s the number we need

 

[isucy86]

I think the number you need is how many guys voluntarily enter the portal and how many are forced to. Don’t think we can ever get those numbers and I know this board will just go negative and say that many are forced but that’s the number we need

Agree. Because if I look at Iowa's State's portal guys, there are probably a handful of reasons behind why guys are in the portal. And even if guys were pushed out, is that an issue if the player has been in school 4 or 5 years and has their degree? In that case, if there isn't portal interest from other schools, the kid might just enter the job world.

The extra Covid year also creates an added dynamic.

 

[Gary_ISU]

I also think we need to keep in mind, yes we had a bad season, and didn't win a lot of close games. But Before we go all "the world is ending, tear down the entire thing and start over". We lost over 70% of our production going into last season, and we were one of the youngest teams in the big 12.

If you really go back and look at it as a whole. We were 4-8 with 6 of those loses coming by 7 points or less. And the Oklahoma game (14 point loss) with one busted play on defense.

We return a lot of our production on the Defensive side of the ball, and other then X, we basically have everyone coming back on offense.

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 1 play (Dropped pass, missed hole by RB, etc.) In the Baylor game, Kansas game, K-State game, Texas Game, OK St games and Tech game that would of flipped the outcome.

So with our D staying at an elite level (hopefully, other then maybe a lack of a bonafide pass rusher, I don't see why why we can't continue that). And if our O-Line can get a little bit more of a push, why we couldn't win half, if not all of those games. That's 6 plays away from being 10-2 instead of 4-8.

IMO we truly aren't that far away.

While I generally agree that we lost several close games and could easily have been 8-4, we under achieved in 2021 going 7-6. I would be less concerned about 4-8 had we gone 10-3 in 2021 with the 70% of our offense production that we lost including an NFL QB and RB. I think Campbell needed to make the changes that he did which will hopefully right the ship on back to back disappointing seasons.

 

[Die4Cy]

"Most" of the people in the portal are there because they are looking for an opportunity to play for all the work they put in. A small number are hired guns, some are probably forced out, but I think most are just looking to contribute in games.

It stands to reason that there will always be more players looking for opportunities than there are real opportunities for them to claim. Many that do move, move to a lower level of competition after a time to pull it off and I really don't know if a move to Division II or III or NAIA probably counts with regard to how portal transactions get counted.

In theory, the transfer portal should improve quality of play across all levels over time.

 

[CoKane]

So what you're saying is, after 7 years of getting the best recruits in program history we only have bad players on the offensive side of the ball? What classifies them as a bad players? They can only be good when they show out there first year of playing? Because Bob Jones (wrong sport) has proven that to be false.

I'm excited about Norton as well, but our offense was better with Brock on the field. If he can stay healthy he'll show everyone why he was a 4 Star recruit. Dude averaged 4.5 ypc last season.

Yes, I am saying that. Mainly because they haven't played well. I suppose Greg Gaines or whoever could be this top secret weapon but if so, then why didnt he play last year? Its not like our WR room was loaded with guys making plays.

Which guys do you take issue with me saying are bad? Nobody last year even flashed anything other than Hannicka and Norton. Brock is a fair shout, im just not gonna invest a ton in him right now with all the injuries he had last year and I believe only one more year to play

It doesnt matter how good they are in high school if they dont develop after getting here.

 

[Omaha Cy]

I’ve seen the numbers you’re talking about and it was honestly shocking to me the number of players in the portal who end up never playing football again.

The portal has changed things a lot since the Rhoads days. I'd like to look back at some old threads about football players that left ISU and where they ended up. It seems like A LOT of Rhoads players transferring out either went to a different school but had diminutive roles, or didn't land at another school. Can't think of many that left ISU and made big impacts elsewhere in college ball. Some of Rhoads guys even went to FCS and didn't make much of an impact.

I did see the annual or running thread by Demoncore and was really surprised by how many former players under CMC were playing substantial roles with their new team. I believe a lot of that has to do with Campbell bringing in much better recruits. I do wonder if the instant playing time availability plays a role in keeping some players engaged instead of them falling off the radar when they had to sit a year.

 

[Omaha Cy]

Is there a running tally thread or a Cyfan page that chronicles football players that have left ISU for the portal. I haven't followed it closely but doesn't seem that many have left ISU this year.