Cancel the series, please
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**** iowa, how's that for attitude?
my attitude is I despise those bastards and want to kick their **** in every year.
my attitude is I despise those bastards and want to kick their **** in every year.
ha! - that's actually WRNL's stance to a tee.
not many words in this one, for those that aren't big into reading.
WRNL on the Iowa Game result: Esshhh!
CycloneErik
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You must have whacked your head on something or drank excessively. That's how most agreements with CYCRAZY happen.
CycloneErik
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The anticipation for this game was a fun ride. Getting throttled like we did hurts. We call that little ride "life."
I agree, and i know we're not the only ones, we were talking about this today at our gamewatch. Anyone who thinks i just think this because we got our ***** kicked, can go back through my posts, ive said this before today.
We play a tough Big 12 schedule that is about to get tougher with the loss of colorado and the increase to 9 conference games. We gain nothing by playing iowa. At worst we lose and are farther from bowl eligibility, at best we win but only because 'its their super bowl'. Iowa views this as lose-lose too.Give me either a guaranteed win and tuneup game or a game in a nice location that most would rather go to than Iowa ****ty (minnesota comes to mind as a GREAT replacement for iowa- good fans and great venue)
That every other year we have iowa in ames may be good money, but i would bet that the money from replacing that away game every other year in what is typically the best weather and fan turnout time of the year with a home game would make up for a lot of that, and the increased probability of making a bowl game due to not playing Iowa (who we have a 50\50 shot AT BEST against, and thats if you include their lower points earlier this decade) probably result in ISU coming out ahead financially from ending this series.
At the end of the day, if we dont make a bowl because we lost to iowa, no recruit is going to care about that, but they are going to notice that we are sitting at home in december. We need to do the things that maximize revenue and maximize our chances of making a bowl. Iowa does not fit into that picture going forward.
Yeah, as I was watching today's blowout, I wanted to drop the series pretty badly, too.
But that will wear off.
The following is not an airtight statistical analysis, but let’s look at the new 9-game Big 12 through the lens of 2000-09:
Non-conference teams (types of opponents we would most likely drop if we kept Iowa):
Ohio: 3-0
Army: 2-0
Kent State: 2-1
No. Illinois: 1-1
Toledo: 1-1
UNLV: 1-1
Florida State: 0-1
UConn 0-1
10-6
63%
Non-conference teams we would keep either way:
UNI: 4-1
SDSU: 1-0
NDSU: 1-0
Troy: 1-0
Tennessee Tech: 1-0
8-1
89%
Iowa: 5-5
50%
Missouri: 4-6
Kansas: 4-6
Kansas State: 3-7
11-19
37%
Baylor/OSU/A&M/: 4-2 / 3-3 / 1-5 = 8-10
44%
OSU/A&M: 3-3 / 1-5 = 4-8
33%
OU/UT/Tech: 0-4 /0-4 /1-3 = 1-11
8%
Colorado: 4-6
Nebraska: 3-7
7-13
35%
Baylor: 4-2
Missouri: 4-6
Kansas: 4-6
Kansas State: 3-7
15-21
42%
Observations:
We need to replace a competitive non-conference team with a team from the 89-percent category. The difference between dropping Iowa or dropping MWC/MAC/Big East teams is marginal. Dropping Iowa would produce about 1.5 wins every 10 years; considering the rivalry impact, percentages become negligible.
The record vs. Iowa is higher than the Missouri/KU/KSU combination; and two wins per decade more compared to the OSU/A&M combo.
We’re adding Baylor (67%) but dropping CU/NU (35%). Almost a wash.
If we’re worried about bowl games, it’d help to win more often against the remaining North teams and the “little 3†South teams.
But that will wear off.
The following is not an airtight statistical analysis, but let’s look at the new 9-game Big 12 through the lens of 2000-09:
Non-conference teams (types of opponents we would most likely drop if we kept Iowa):
Ohio: 3-0
Army: 2-0
Kent State: 2-1
No. Illinois: 1-1
Toledo: 1-1
UNLV: 1-1
Florida State: 0-1
UConn 0-1
10-6
63%
Non-conference teams we would keep either way:
UNI: 4-1
SDSU: 1-0
NDSU: 1-0
Troy: 1-0
Tennessee Tech: 1-0
8-1
89%
Iowa: 5-5
50%
Missouri: 4-6
Kansas: 4-6
Kansas State: 3-7
11-19
37%
Baylor/OSU/A&M/: 4-2 / 3-3 / 1-5 = 8-10
44%
OSU/A&M: 3-3 / 1-5 = 4-8
33%
OU/UT/Tech: 0-4 /0-4 /1-3 = 1-11
8%
Colorado: 4-6
Nebraska: 3-7
7-13
35%
Baylor: 4-2
Missouri: 4-6
Kansas: 4-6
Kansas State: 3-7
15-21
42%
Observations:
We need to replace a competitive non-conference team with a team from the 89-percent category. The difference between dropping Iowa or dropping MWC/MAC/Big East teams is marginal. Dropping Iowa would produce about 1.5 wins every 10 years; considering the rivalry impact, percentages become negligible.
The record vs. Iowa is higher than the Missouri/KU/KSU combination; and two wins per decade more compared to the OSU/A&M combo.
We’re adding Baylor (67%) but dropping CU/NU (35%). Almost a wash.
If we’re worried about bowl games, it’d help to win more often against the remaining North teams and the “little 3†South teams.
The problem in the comparison here is the 50% assumption for iowa. Its only that if you go back to the late 90s\early 2000s. Go any farther back and it gets progressively worse. Over the last 5 years we're 20%. 2003-present (after the 5 year streak) we're 2-6 or 25%. Thats quite a big difference to the other category of games we're losing by keeping iowa.
Youve got 63% in that other category, though id take out FSU (we arent likely to schedule a team like that again... that was a 'bonus' game)
Not so much. Adding Baylor (67%) But dropping CU/NU(35%), but also adding UT(0%) and OU(0%). Lets also keep in mind today's baylor is not the baylor we won 4 straight against. We won last year after losing 2 straight, but they were also missing a key player.
I agree the last 5 years is bad vs. Iowa, as was pre-98, but I think we were worse vs. mid-majors prior to the 2000s, also. Didn't check back that far — I wanted to use recent history just as a litmus.
Understandable, and theres a lot of ways to look at it... i just dont see 50% as a reasonable number. taking out our 5 win streak that isnt recent history at this point, and those years, aside from 2002, were bad years for iowa. I dont see them returning to that level anytime soon, so i think 2002 or 2003- present is probably a more appropriate comparison
The only reason this is coming up is because we got wrecked today. This past week, who wanted to dump it? Honestly Iowa has more reason to get rid of it then us. It is a trap game for them most years. And we get a bunch of money for it, they lose money. Ducking a good team just to try to make a bowl is just plain bs. No team should make it to a bowl by bs-ing their way through. Somehow Boise State does it, but they can't really help it.
false. there have been multiple threads on this in the past, including many this summer. i believed before, and still believe, that ending this season
Its a loss for us most years... and when we win we get no credit for it. It was 'our super bowl', even though iowa clearly gets up for this game too.
last i heard gate-sharing is ending... plus, an additional home game every other year during our prime attendance month of september will cover for losing the iowa game
Everyone does it. Look at the rest of the big 12. You may not like it, but its the way the 'game' is played, and its expected to make bowl games now. Not making a bowl damages recruiting, and damaging recruiting hurts the possibility for further success.
demoncore1031
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i LOVE the series and the rivalry but HATE losing to those cocky a-holes. instead of dropping this series, why dont we instead wish for some better recruiting and make it so we can hang with these guys again
Best way to get to that level.... consistently make bowls. Biggest obstacle to consistently making bowls? Having iowa as one of your 3 nonconference games that everyone else will schedule 'gimme' teams in.