The point stands that to date Floyd, Hoiberg, Eustachey, Morgan, Prohm, McCarney and Rhoads all had their peak at ISU.
The idea that an abnormal number of ISU coaches leave find success just isn’t true.
Campbell Still in Demand?
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The idea that an abnormal number of ISU coaches leave find success just isn’t true.
This is such a horse **** line of thought. Outside of the blue blood programs, most schools need the ball to bounce their way to have a special year. You mention Iowa, but they lost their first two games that year and it wasn't exactly against tough competition.
If we lose to West Virginny this saturday there is the distinct possiblity that WE COULD NOT WIN A CONF GAME THIS YEAR!!
The last time that happened in my memory was Jimmy Dean Walden's last year where they FIRED HIM MID SEASON!!
still wouldn't be enough to let campbell go
now, it should be enough for some staff adjustment, though.
You have a bad memory. 2014. Paul Rhoads was 2-10 overall. And 0-9 in Big 12. Rhoads then went 3-9 in 2015. Fired.
In 2003, McCarney went 2-10 and 0-8 in Big 12. And was subsequently fired in 2006.
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Jesus, this thread is exactly why posters stay in the premium boards. There are some HOT takes in here.
Pretty sure Chizik lost every conference game in 2008, finishing with a 10 loss streak.
So the 4 Iowa State Coaches prior to Campbell all had winless conference seasons.
We were also getting embarrassed every week. We are not far off from winning a lot of these games.
2020 we handled covid better than probably any other team in the country and had a lot of things go our way.
2021 was a let down year based off talent returning and our defense weirdly didn't show up for Tech/WVU. If that doesn't happen, last year is looked at completely different.
2022 any sane, reasonable fan knew was going to be a rebuilding year. We lost a 4 year QB, the best RB in the country, two TE's that have been on NFL rosters, and a boat load of talent on defense. Has it been disappointing? Sure. Campbell and our offensive staff needs to take a long look in the mirror the rest of this year and moving forward because we cannot keep wasting the best defense in the conference.
Anyone even hinting/suggesting that we move on from Campbell is a ******* moron. It is only going to get harder for schools like ISU to compete in the age of NIL and there is no one better out there to lead us than him. Grow up
2021 was a let down year based off talent returning and our defense weirdly didn't show up for Tech/WVU. If that doesn't happen, last year is looked at completely different.
2022 any sane, reasonable fan knew was going to be a rebuilding year. We lost a 4 year QB, the best RB in the country, two TE's that have been on NFL rosters, and a boat load of talent on defense. Has it been disappointing? Sure. Campbell and our offensive staff needs to take a long look in the mirror the rest of this year and moving forward because we cannot keep wasting the best defense in the conference.
Anyone even hinting/suggesting that we move on from Campbell is a ******* moron. It is only going to get harder for schools like ISU to compete in the age of NIL and there is no one better out there to lead us than him. Grow up
This thread is an embarrassment to the fanbase and that's really saying something. Get a grip guys.
I see no one has responded to your post yet so let me see if I can with the usual points:
1. It was one season you must be patient
2. We won the Fiesta Bowl in 2020
3. The coaches move in mysterious ways
4. We could be much worse
5. Just give them time, they care about the players
And to be fair that game @WVU had a lot of really weird things not go our way...
This is all really well stated and pretty much echo's my thoughts. IMO Manning and CMC are way to dedicated to the multiple TE sets and a dink and dunk offense. Teams have clearly figured that out and we've become an insanely easy team to defend.
Bruce and Majors found success although in hindsight Majors only had one really good year at Iowa State.
I always found it interesting how we ran Wayne Morgan out of town as fast as possible for someone who couldn’t even match his worst season or win a single post season game in basketball. It’s interesting how he didn’t get the benefit of the doubt of the “rebuilding season” or “give him time” or my favorite “he moves in mysterious ways.”
It’s disturbing how some on here and WRNL seem to take joy in what happened to him after coaching at Iowa State.
Meanwhile those same people have nothing but the best wishes for CSP.
“Thank you Steve for crushing our basketball program. We hope you succeed back at Murray State. You are such a nice guy.”
I can promise you that there has not been one even fleeting second where JP has even remotely considered the outside possibility of entertaining the thought of firing Campbell. It's on Matt to figure out what's gone wrong over the last couple years (I'm lumping in last year, as I think it was a disappointing result). But you've got to trust he's the guy to make those decisions.
All of ISU's problems stem from coaching, and CMC has shown a complete unwillingness to change either strategy or tactics related to the offensive side of the ball.
He should have already fired Manning, if not in the offseason, during this season to get the attention of everyone, and show the fans that there is accountability in this program.
Wait! Oh my! ISU is lined up and ready to go with tempo.......oh no. Another sideline look, and a random snap. Go State!
Not all, but a vast majority.
This team's biggest issues are the offensive line, which has been a massive disappointment every season under Campbell, Special Teams (always underwhelming), and offensive design/playcalling/scheming. All of those are coaching related issues.
Dekkers has struggled at times, but often it's because he's been put in situations where the rate of failure is high. We can't run the ball because our coaching stuff can't get our offensive line to play at a mediocre level despite an abundance of returnees.
The amount of excuses in this thread are ridiculous. Campbell has been great for the program but has also repeatedly dropped the ball in several different areas, many of which are inexcusable at this point. He needs to do better. It's hard to demand accountability when you aren't accountable yourself.
I think Manning’s and Campbell’s heavy TE sets with lots of 12 and 13 personnel was innovative and really fit our personnel with Kolar, Allen and Soehner at TE and Purdy at QB who excelled at throwing shorter routes to them. Then add Breece Hall at RB and they had something, enough to cover up limitations at receiver and OL. Now all those guys are gone and CMC/Manning don’t have a winning scheme to revert to.
I don’t think you can understate how valuable it was to have a couple mauling run blockers like Soehner and Allen at TE. Maybe they can recreate that with guys like Keller and Burkle in a couple years and win again with their scheme.
I love TE play in general, and ISU's Triple TE threat was incredible. It's like attacking with knights in chess. The entire TT game (which I attended) was a TE clinic! Purdy was great getting them the ball too. That was a very good team, and it's bad enough when outsiders claim ISU was 8-1 due to Covid, and I cannot believe a Cyclone fan would ever fall for that false baloney. Thank you for bringing up that dynamic which made that particular team so tough to defend.